British City Of Culture Rocks To Ira Bombs In Occupied Ireland

by independent republican Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:12

IRA bombs or IRA firecrackers?
isnt it about time the IRA was organisning its 'political' wings or semi-political wing on the streets a bit more often to protest for the prisoners in maghaberry who even recently hinted at the possibility of a hunger strike? maybe they should give up the pretence of a 'war' and try and encourage people on to the streets as often as possible and come together with other republican groups to develope a big prisoners campaign,one that might actually be affective. politics is all about whats affective and doing things that get results.

and instead of the derry republican leadership talking to lattimer on free derry corner ,maybe their time would be better spent taking to the grassroots of their own organisiation and try and actually develope a radical social programme that the ordinary joe can identify with,instead of a programme that seeks a 32 county version of what we already have in the 26 counties
,a united ireland isnt worth getting out of bed for,afterall we had a united ireland during the 1790s,why then did we need a republicaan society?
we had a united ireland during the famine,so what good was this united ireland to us then? fuck all!
petty nationalism is useless and only benefits the capitalists,a radical socialist republic is what is required,and no its not enough that the RIRA declare for a 'democratic socialist republic' they need to put forward a social programme and try and articulate how this socialism is going to come about.
rather than igoring the masses,they need to engage with the masses.

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Fri Oct 14, 2011 13:04

I agree with almost all of what you say but the socialist republic is the critical part of the equation, which is not simply nationalism. The island of Ireland is clearly one nation, which will one day takes its rightful place in the international. Civil disobedience at this particular point in time may be the correct way to go rather than armed struggle at this point in time. The British have created considerable division and dis-information to prevent any real organization. British Imperialism will not leave Ireland willingly. I agree that the lack of organization on behalf of the POWs and against internment without trial is quite shocking! The support is there but leadership is totally divided by the Brits !

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Fri Oct 14, 2011 13:20

Ahem.

its original ainm, as Gaeilge, was Doire(Cholmchille). Irish is an English word.
These islands have been raiding and trading for millennia, to mutual cost and benefit. Dont get bogged down in shibbolethic formulae of pointless hatreds and destruction.
As for my goodness, McGuinness; would you prefer Gay Mitchell?
Whoever pulled this stunt has no clue(nor, I suspect, interest)as to what Doire needs or its people want. Rome wasn't even burnt in a day, never mind its building. A decent republic will take a wee bit longer. You can keep playing kiddies games with your Guy Fawks fireworks, but us adults have work to do, for some smarter(hopefully)future generation. And part of the work is changing that idiotic pattern of playing soldiers. At least McGun-us-all-down(according to the orange petticoats in de Dublin mediacrocy)has grown past that gig. He realised we cant solve our differences with semptex, it only delays the solutions and builds mafias of idiocy.

Go learn the 'Irish' language, and a little more history before ye hurt someone useful. Or else take a long walk on that proverbial short pier.

Or maybe it was MI 51/2 planted it. For budgetry purposes.

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Fri Oct 14, 2011 15:52

A chara,

opus diabolical, you seem far more fond of your burned Roman Empire, than my native Ireland with your generalized personal attack. If you were a little less ego driven and considered the welfare of poor old Ireland, perhaps you would be a little less self serving and careerist in your reply and put the welfare of its people ahead of your personal, divisive, vitriolic, agenda.

Your statement, "You can keep playing kiddies games with your Guy Fawks fireworks, but us adults have work to do, for some smarter(hopefully)future generation" contradicts the hard facts out there as the Free State courts currently see it, does it not ?

While your on about kiddies games, perhaps you could enlighten us a little on the cover-up of the fiddllers and enablers ?

As regards your personal preference of the British candidates in the irish Presidential election, with your remark "As for my goodness, McGuinness; would you prefer Gay Mitchell?" No in the absence of a an Irish Trotskyist, I would prefer Michael D. who like myself, does have a good command of the Gaelic language and as far as I know, is one of the few, who is not an employee of a foreign government !

As for your beloved Rome neither being built or burn't in a day, your British friends can simply hop on a plane, lock stock and barrel and be in Salisbury in half an hour and leave us in peace.

As for who half planted or fully planted the device in Doire, that has disturbed you so much, at your departed, British cultural offices, I am sure the real men and women can answer that one, they seem to be well able to stand up for themselves, without any help from me and have the credibility of neither enabling or raping man, woman, child or Irish beast !

Now before you elaborate on my native Gaelic milis tongue, perhaps you could learn to actually read the contents of what I actually wrote in English first, particularly my previous reply after the article. Perhaps then we could have a less personal vitriolic exchange without all sorts of assumptions and some sort of substantive positive critique in a singular language, instead of hopping from latin to english to Gaeilge simply to impress the superficial rather than the gra of it.

Lets consider the tortured country of Ireland and put it ahead of our selfish, slieveen, careerist middle class politics, can we ?

Do you not think that civil disobedience might be the middle way to challenge the status quo, rather than the superficial, establishment careerist politics of fat, former marxist, middle aged alcoholics or incorrectly timesd armed struggle at this particular point in time ?

If there is to be a debate, let it be, inclusive, objective and constructive on such a really critical issue in Ireland at this particularly critical time, not our personal petty vendettas of jumping in to sleep with da' Roman fishes, chasing the queens shilling or the hapless, roman coinage of your Italian mafioso friends. Can you for once stop stirring it and engage in the dialectic of the Irish people of no property's materialist interests that you profess to care about ? Just for once, can you try it !

by r Sat Oct 15, 2011 01:48

...that article and your follow up comments have to be the biggest load of pretentious shite I've read in a long time, I can't help but to feel cheated in that you must surely be writing a self-parody piece and I'm just not getting the humour?

by r Sat Oct 15, 2011 01:54

.. blame the Brits cos the Irish never did anything wrong, all our mistakes were because of the Brits interfering in our "rightful place in the international", whatever the fuck that means...

by Doire Boy Sat Oct 15, 2011 03:24

Yeah right on. It was the British led police force that was responsible for not clearing the bomb away quick enough. Nothing to do with the psychopathic warmongers who actually planted it. Nothing to do with the fact that they are more interested in protecting their ever decreasing powerbase and hold over people who don't want them. Nothing to do with the fact that they are fighting to protect their wee criminal empire - extortion, smuggling, drugs and benefit and DLA fraud. It never ceases to amaze me how some people are so delusional and bigoted they will try and make a dog turd out to be a gold bar.

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Sat Oct 15, 2011 05:21

Protecting their "wee criminal empire" did ya say ? Nothing about ye're beloved BIG CRIMiNAL BRITISH EMPIRE, eh, eh, eh ??? What planet are ye on ?

by sambam Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:28

This bomb has not stopped anyone from doing what they were doing last week, it has caused disruption for derry businesses, which in that area are all small, local and already under pressure due to the economic recession. People need to wise up, this type of thing is not going to make the 26 counties want to absorb the 6, any more than it will make the UK hand over the 6 counties (which it undoubtedly would if it could). This is a sideshow and the only people who suffered were Derry people.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:02

for the laugh. And the comprehensive, if presumptive reply.

I prefer Napoli to Rome(quite like Derry in a few ways, Rome is a bit too much like Dublin and belfast, up itself, and I'm a jackeen, not a true brit).

My point, well one of them, which you missed, is that ideological nationalism has its place, but we live in the twenty-first century, and the problems are bigger than ireland, just as the empire is bigger than britannia.

I'd agree Micky d will stroll home, and maybe no harm. The other side of that coin, missed by his myriad fan-base who designate him, not wrongly, as the conscience of his party, is that it might not be the wisest course to lock him into the Aras dome of silence at a time when dissenting voices are short of promotion. If McG did upset the Dublin unionist lobby by fluking home it would be no harm for their embedded complacency. A badly needed reassessment, as has begun since the GFA in northern unionist paranoia, might just begin.

As for that shite about the '..dialectic of the irish people of no property's materialist interests..'and my 'careerist' predelictions and british friends....I've even got British relatives, economically deported by your oirish saints n skollers...so again ta for the gaire. And my opulent material situation might well occasion a laugh from your direction should you get a closer scope than your guesswork provides.

Focal deireanach ar that civil disobedience: I've been in court more than once on that account... so stop looking for enemies lest you shoot potential allies, some of whom, believe it or not, horror of horrors, might just be british. I've met the ignorant squaddies up close, but I've also met what masquerades as republican idealism even though its closer to Churchillian corporate rent-boy reality. And I've met decent working class squaddies in the British forces who were motivated, believe it or not, by the same inclination as Paddies in the Lebanon, keeping the gunslingers away from the working poor they consider as expendable collateral damage on their way to glory for assorted flags.
Slan, 4 now.

by Damien M - PW Sat Oct 15, 2011 21:04

Blowing up a branch of Santander, that'll really stop the war machine being financed from the City.

"Two IRA volunteers carried the bomb into the bank in the city of Newry, shouted a warning that the bomb would go off within 45 minutes and then discreetly left."

What way does that work Brian?

"A 200lbs bomb was delivered by taxi to the British police headquarters..."

Wasn't it by-proxy again, a failed tactic that backfired on the PIRA?

by An Draigneán Donn Sun Oct 16, 2011 04:53

All acts of resistance to imperialism are to be welcomed. The Irish Left should stop wringing its hands - and actually start to do something in the world. The Leftist organisations have been caught napping on Libya, and now they are looking for excuses to sleep through the occupation of Ireland.

by Pouca Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:43

Some Serbs believe that the existence of a 'greater Serbia' is justified by the 1389 Battle of Kosovo; for similarly ancient reasons they regard Muslims as sub-human. Many Israelis believe that because these areas were in Jewish hands until 585BC, they have a right to sieze and hold much of Palestine, although hundreds of thousands of Palestinians hold modern titles, and even keys to properties, in the occupied areas. Catholics and Protestants share control of the area for the first time in 300 years, yet a tiny number of self-described Irish Republicans believe they have a right to control the north-east of the island of Ireland, as the area was in Catholic hands until the 1600s, and expel the one million Protestants who disagree with them.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Sun Oct 16, 2011 15:24

The pentagonal puppeteers die 'peacefully' in beds of roses.

Your trickle down effect is taking its time with Mugabe. Pinochet was well sheltered(he pumped more lead than he caught
I wont go on.

'Democratic' bullets kill more than a few. Stop chewing the lead, its bad for the head. Atrophies the analytic lobe.

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Sun Oct 16, 2011 15:43

The word Protestant implies rebellion and dissident. There are many radical Protestants in Occupied Ireland. Protestant feminists, Protestant socialists and Protestant republicans. These radicals have been edited out of the Irish psyche for political convenience north and south of Ireland for political convenience. Coming out as a radical within Irish Protestant society is in some loyalist communities as difficult as people who come out as gay or lesbian and are far more numerous than generally realized. Then there are the Presbyterian ministers who still wear the Geneva bands a reminder of their origin in their Calvinist native city which was one of the first republics of Europe. From the very beginning Calvinist and republicans have gone hand in hand, indeed they were the ones who brought Republicanism to Ireland from the French Revolution. Wherever Calvinists or Presbyterians went republics sprang up almost immediately to protect their preachers. Their religion which set out thrift, industry, sobriety, responsibility and personal conscience detested the lazy monarchs and their hangers-on which included a lot of Catholics like British Sinn Fein and Martin McGuinness. As soon as they got power in England the Calvinist and Presbyterians in England were quick to chop off the head of King Charles I a hundred an 50 years before the French Revolution they proclaiming republican ideology. It was the forged letters of the Dutch House of Orange that misled them from their heritage and started the sectarianism so carefully cultivated by Britain in Occupied Ireland as a tool of its ceaseless divide and conquer policy in the colonies. Sinn Féin was founded in 1905 by a royalist called Arthur Griffith who as late as 1911 canvassed the importation of a German prince to be elevated to a national throne similar to a prince in countries Like Serbia in the Balkans. Like McGuinness he thought the Irish and British should share a monarch like the Hungarians and Austrians were sharing. Indeed like in the past there is said to be a monarchist plot among McGuinness supporters and Free State officers as in the twenties in Ireland. Irish republicans are NOT about religion but the desire of a section of the population to break the link with Britain not with the good protestant people. Its about being free to decide our own destiny as a single united country in this oh so small island and small population. Its not about Catholic, Protestant, Jew or Muslem. Its about Ireland being the natural entity that the world map naturally displays it to be. The Irish Republican movement was originally led primarily by Protestants, particularly Presbyterians from Ulster. Founding members of the United Irishmen, along with Wolfe Tone, included Thomas Russell, Henry Joy McCracken, James Napper Tandy, and Samuel Neilson. There has been a long and noble tradition of Protestant and Presbyterian leadership in the Irish Republican movement right up to the present day. Indeed many leading traditional republicans will tell you privately they make the best republicans, loyal and true. The number of people prepared to come out as radicals or at least with a different view of the Protestant tradition as opposed to that portrayed in the British dominated media in Ireland is increasing. Genuine Republicans have always tried to get away from the sectarianism, fostered in all levels of life in Occupied Ireland and many Protestants are starting to ask questions, to reclaim what has been censored out of theri existence until now. A new Protestant identity is being carved out slowly in Occupied Ireland beyond the stereotypes fostered by Britain.Through owning the censored aspects of their identity, they may yet construct a non-sectarian society with justice to all women and men, Catholic, Protestant, Traveller, Chinese, Jew WITHOUT BRITISH INTERFERENCE AND MENTORED SECTARIANISM ! Deep in the Ulster Psyche is the original meaning of Protestant as in the proper meaning of Dissident and Dissenter, that will one day provide the responsible leadership, that the whole devoid island of Ireland has been so carefully denuded.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Sun Oct 16, 2011 16:30

A good intro to the contribution is 'The Dissenting Voice: Protestant Democracy in Ulster from Plantation to Partition' by Flann Cambell. Cant find my copy, but Amazon has a few.

A good popular squint squint at the origins and shennanigans of the Sinn Fein early days is 'The Clanking of Chains' by Brinsley MacNamara (of the 'Valley of the ..Windows')Again, Amazon has a few if your library dont. watch the FF transfer of horses MacNamara outlines recur as SF rise. Not to say they are all steakknives in SF, and I still think McG would refresh the parts MD wont reach in the Dubilin mediacrocy. They need a cat up their pigeon-holes.

After all Protestant derives from Protest.

But we need to upscale for todays global comunications revolutions(ongoing and being wrestled over for the forseeable), the impossibility of national unilateral 'ourselves alone' autism, and get the muid go leir agenda elevated.

If you can find a copy of 'Speeches from the Dock', edited by TD, AM, & DB Sullivan it also confirms the major role of Protestants in the national struggle for Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity(the counter-rev of the anciens like to concentrate on uimhir a h-aon, elevated to Licence, and airbrush the awkward second and third prongs into invisibility). Published originally in the 1890s, my copy is gill& macmillan,1968. Amazon has reprints as of 2010 listed,but again try libraries first.

Tiocaidh ar laethanta saoire, we'll get a chance to relearn our suppressed common history. But then we mustn't loose the British radical thinkers either.

by Redundant Republican Sun Oct 16, 2011 20:29

I have expressed my opinion in the past that I believe the Brits control the "dissident" military campaign. We now know that the Brits controlled the provos at the top level so it is hard to accept that they are not the driving force behind this campaign. The present attacks suit the sinn fein agenda, the sinn fein agenda suits the brits but then of course it does.If we were witnessing a genunine campaign by militant republicans then I believe the targets would not be small banks in derry etc. Republicans would target the leadership of the organisation that sold out and allowed itself to be ilfiltrated at all levels by the enemy.

by An Draighneán Donn Mon Oct 17, 2011 03:37

The middle class Irish lefties will wring their hands, and condemn any actual anti-imperialist action as fascism - but, believe me, the Irish Resistance is not worried about what these Chomsky reading pseuds have to say (thats not a dig at Chomsky himself, who has supported real action in the world, just some of his readership, who think that buying a Chomsky book is their part of the revolution done - their Hogges Figges receipt is their veteran's medal.)

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Mon Oct 17, 2011 09:57

But i still think focusing on the brit factor feeds them ammo. Wall st, Madison Ave, DARPA, Oiligarchy Inc., City of London, Offshore Shelters...the list of the hydras heads is in constant mutation.. and will continue to be so. They play on our inability to respond to their infinitely resourced capacity to shapeshift and replicate. Only way to get ahead of them, I can see, is cut to the chase, THEIR global agenda, and reformulate a healthier global future, integrating the local into a top-down vision of a sustainable inclusive planetary stable economic, and to use their jargon, 'structurally adjusted' democratic program. Their structure imposed on our resources reclaimed by its creators and used for common, rather than individual and corporate, ends

I hope that makes some sense: None of us has all the answers: those who think they have are the problem. It has to a global collective to overcome their divisive conquests, otherwise the relapses will continue to loop.

As for DD, your dismissals of all who dont fit your Irish Resistence is essentially insufficient for the scale of the problem. Ultimately the war against imperialism is psychological. It will NOT be won with semtex and cordite. If you are Irish first and human second, you have the cart in front of the national horse. Read the history of fascism a little closer, before you repeat an easy mistake. Certainty is ALWAYS at its hub. As dogma is to science, ideology is to thought: antithetical.
The synthesis is the direction. Puritanism has its political strains. Bi curamach.

by independent republican Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:56

attacks of this nature are a little questionable to be fair,its too northern focused,as for people not having the balls,
the republican movement in all its militarist factions hasnt had the balls to attack southern irish capitalism in decades.the republican movement is failing the irish working class due to its inability to develope an anti capitalist analysis of the situation and involve itself in working class campaigns like the anti water tax/household tax.
also having links with right wing nationalists like craobh gal greine is very suspicious,a group known for its anti immigrant views and support for capitalist ideas.
southern irish capitalism is british imperialisms biggest ally ,shooting a few drug dealers and exploding a pipe bomb in a few offices is not a war,and is more than likely an attempt to show that that organisation is not defeated.meanwhile their prisoners are being beaten daily in maghaberry,there is a dirty protest,and last year saw two hunger strikes(liam hannaway and gary donnelly).
as for middle class lefties well,they have to dismiss actions of anti imperialism in their own country,they are only concerned with anti imperialism in other countries where it doesnt affect them.fakes.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Mon Oct 17, 2011 13:15

Dont you mean counterproductive and redolent of MI 5-6 budget bumping with the added bonus of discrediting all republicanism as destructive and inimical to the general population.

And if you're going to dismiss 'midle class lefties' so casually where are going to find a fucking population for the utopian dream you are cooking. Look around, most would clasify themselves as middle-class, and the vast majority are actually righties. Hard fact for dreamlanders, Ireland IS its people. The landscape remains neutral, the population is apathetic and comfortable with its pap-diet of disinfotainment.

If we are to create a republican polity, it requires public space for debate and education. These fascistic acts facilitate the suppression of that debate, and ultimately can be used to exclude and justify the repression of sites like indy.

The media remain the messengers of the corporate empire, with all its mutable flags. Thats where we must fight, with our brains, not our knuckledusters. You wont beat the problem by joining in terrorising, and assisting the vested terror of the british military and ascendancy against the people you should be WORKING to win. Lousy wages, but thats how I see the job.

Correct me if i err, but dont fucking dismiss me because I'm not a bricklayer.

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Mon Oct 17, 2011 22:25

While British colonialism formally ended in the south of Ireland in 1921 after the war of Independence, however, the neo-colonial order created to maintain the same Anglo-Irish establishment and economic relationship, without a formal political mandate is obviously alive and well despite the unofficial ceasefire that has existed in the neo-colonial free state in the south for more than 30 years now. If this debate and its critical missing elements are anything to judge from, the status quo remains very much unchallenged in the neo-colonial free despite the absence of what is diabolically termed terrorism. The only terrorism very much active in the south of Ireland is state terrorism. In the scum state enabled by British Sinn Fein in the occupied north of Ireland the fully colonial order remains absolutely under British occupation and repression with political internment and political rape. British secret service powers are at full-time work in both parts of the island for the foreseeable future in a campaign of disinformation and division creation, while the former republicans of the Adams McGuinness faction who collaborate with British Imperial power in recent years, are given an exclusive media platform to enable political internment prison rights activists like Marian Price and censor all resistance to British occupation in Ireland. The critical missing voices in this debate of political conscience like Marian Price who are interned and brutalized without trial by the British with the silent collaboration of the Adams/McGuinness faction aided by mercenary advisors of former paramilitary officers have driven the real politik underground not for the first time in Ireland.. The orders to politically intern without trial or by remand, formally come under the cover of the British secretary of State to the Queen of England, overriding the judiciary but enabled by Stormont still without a democratic opposition along with the collaboration of senior former republicans like McGuinness who in his bid for the Irish Presidency has not yet been challenged for his part in this sordid affair by one authentic voice in the neo-colonial free state. There is no real debate in Ireland in the public arena because it has been driven underground by censorship, internment, intimidation, repression, state terrorism, stitch-ups, assassinations, garda brutality and other various forms of state terrorism which obviously produce the desired reaction and drive Ireland's political conscience underground or into the arms of armed struggle or false prophets like opium diabolical.

Guardians of the Irish Free State

by independent republican Mon Oct 17, 2011 23:01

Dont you mean counterproductive and redolent of MI 5-6 budget bumping with the added bonus of discrediting all republicanism as destructive and inimical to the general population.´´
no i dont .

Look around, most would clasify themselves as middle-class, and the vast majority are actually righties.

most would classify themselves as middle class? no you´re simply just wrong on that issue.
perhaps what you meant to say was that you would prefer if everyone classed themselves as middle class
so you would feel more comfortable about not being a bricklayer

by Damien M - PW Mon Oct 17, 2011 23:07

"British secret service powers are at full-time work in both parts of the island for the foreseeable future in a campaign of disinformation and division creation"

Well take the war to them then and stop blowing up taxi-drivers and Derry City centre.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Tue Oct 18, 2011 04:18

Uncomfortable?

Only because i didn't make the readies some of my brickie mates I mixed muck for (while you were prejudging everything through your wishful lens) made.
I've dug foundations, screeded rafts, steel-fixed, mixed muck, layed blocks, tiled and thatched roofs, fished the Porcupine, worked factories and the Aussie bush... and done fucking jobs you haven't even heard of yet.

You sound like yet another Bush republican/national socialist. Go read Connolly again, this time without your monocular squint..

As for Brian ClarkAll voices. Whose hand is up yer ventrilquent jumper today?

If you were in Bellmullet, and knew Mayo, Pat O'Donnell et al, you would be more focused on the issues I've raised than scoring cheap and stupid points and attempting to alienate those who wont allow you monopolise 'all vices'. If you think the average irish worker is going to accept your portayal of that dumb guard as 'british', you've a wee bit to learn.
And if you knew S2S you'd know we are internationalists, have been fighting Shell at least back to Ogoniland and Saro-Wiwa(and in my case back to sanction-busting over Rhodesia/ SAfrica), and that many of our supporters are British socialist activists. Connolly didn't get slaughtered for YOUR midget-oirlind, he laboured for the workers and poor of the  fucking EARTH. Across the earth, from britain to the US to finally, reluctantly get butchered by the empire despite his superior recognition that the narrow republican romantic rising was PREMATURE(like yerselves)in its ejaculations.

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:55

The Civic Guards which became the Garda were formed by the Provisional Government in 1922, taking over formal British policing in the Irish Free State and replacing the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) just like the British paramilitary police of the PSNI have taken over from the RUC but they haven't fooled anyone its old wine in new bottles.. Both are of British origin and British trained as anyone who has protested in either of the Irish scum states, very quickly learns with the exception of Mark Kennedy and his groupies in Mayo. By the way we don't work with "muck" building in Ireland, that is oh so 18th century. It sounds like you spent too much time in the out back of that huge sub-continent Australia which midget Ireland hammered in both middle class games of Golf and rugby. No I am not Bosco nor live under a jumper but we've OD'd on groupie Aussies of Bosco. You weren't small talked or scorned by Mark or one of his vampires in his van, were ya ? Your reference to both Pat O'Donnell and the Garda are contradictory, in that it is strange indeed you defend the 'thug and bully.' conviction of Pat on the word of your beloved Garda. I was born not very far from Belmullet and I know the place very well indeed, as well at least I would say as any consistent protester of "Shell to Sea" would know the British bullying traits of the Garda who threaten to rape the female protesters there. I'm afraid I am not familiar with your STS international, neither is Google, so I tried the Urban Dictionary, which delivered the following quote, "S2S - Shot 2 Shit. (Pronounced "ess-two-ess") 1. Derogatory phrase for crappy things and/or people. (see crappy) 2. Drunk/Intoxicated. 1. "Dude, your car's shot to shit yo. (s2s)" As for your adjectives about Ireland and the Earth, personally I think they say more about you than anything else. I'm afraid your activities in Rhodesia is ancient history, hell you must be a bit too old to be concerning yourself about your " PREMATURE ejaculations," "under the jumper" and "midget oirland." In the Indymedia guidelines of debate, it suggests we play the ball not the woman. In your case I think I'll pass on both, as I guess you have issues, that as a non Freudian psychologist have an overly sexual tone for me, so I'll try detach with love from you and your Garda IT, but then for all I know you are both one and the same person. IT is an IT in a Bitish uniform, isn't IT ? This dis-information and provocation are just distractions of division ! Now can we get back to the ball of whether a campaign of civil disobedience, is a better tactic for Irish republican socialists at this particular time, rather than armed struggle, particularly as the country is riddled with spooks ?

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Tue Oct 18, 2011 15:06

But i just cant join you in your abusive little game at the minit. Enjoy yourself till i get time.

Ceist amhain: cein fath 's a bhuil tu ag baint usaid as teanga an bhanriona? Nach 'british' e sin?

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Tue Oct 18, 2011 17:32

A good question that I will try to answer by giving you the example of another Irish Brian. Brian O’Nolan was born 100 years ago more widely known as Flann O’Brien and Myles na gCopaleen, he was far too radical to be really accepted in Ireland in his own time. In a parody of his Gaelic-language that he was reared with he describes in his book The Poor Mouth, the ancient smell of putridity that emanates from Ireland and the stink of “history’s ancient faeces” O’Brien one of the few great writers of the 20th century fell into its clutches and stayed in Ireland paying a desperate price in frustration and alcoholic neglect.

Like today, Flann O’Brien was born into a culture of lingering, post-revolutionary dissolution. Like today at the start of the 21st century, the great change in the early years of the 20th century resulted in a small, poor, censored, savage, repressed scum states drained by mass emigration. A fellow writer Frank O’Connor, wrote at the time that it was impossible to write a normal book, saying “the moment a writer raises his eyes from the slums and cabins, he finds nothing but a vicious and ignorant middle-class, and for aristocracy the remnants of an English garrison, alien in religion and education. From such material he finds it almost impossible to create a picture of life. . . a realistic literature is clearly impossible.”

If real literature is impossible, the choices are bleak - stay quiet or like Flann O’Brien, James Joyce and Samuel Beckett, make a new literature. He explores the idea of language in both The Poor Mouth and in A Swim with Two Birds. In his book, The Third Policeman he is trapped in literary Hell, where nature is gone for good and the world is a large machine controlled by strange policemen where even light, is not natural anymore but “light of a kind rarely seen in this country and. . . possibly manufactured with raw materials from abroad.” O’Brien is now portrayed as the Daddy of postmodern theory by the current revisionist of Irish hsitory and “late capitalism”. O’Brien addressed both Ireland's failed revolution and its industrial failure.

He lived an Ireland of Free State Ireland trying to impose its Fainna Fail careerists force their ideal of cultural and economic self-sufficiency down the throat of ordinary people and their own form of Irish capitalist development. Today we find with British Sinn Fein and their exclusive version of revisionist Irish republicanism the cant of fake gaeilgeoir snobbery is an insult the to beautiful Irish language that used to come from people's hearts. Brian O’Nolan was steeped in Gaelic and Irish folklore but the method of the revival of the Irish language, which he spoke and wrote perfectly as used by Fianna Fail then and Provisional Sinn Fein today as fake badges of being Irish disgusted him. His Irish literary culture was therefore constrained by censorship at the time as it no doubt would be if he was alive today.

He was greatly upset by the the official version of gombeen nationalist culture. The Gaelic language revival is unmercifully ripped in The Poor Mouth. The habit then and now of supposedly Gaelic writers and British agents in Ireland and from London today as their Irish republican badge appalled him.The narrow mindedness of the middle class official culture disgusted O’Brien who unlike careerist Irish republicans like Fianna Fail and British Sinn fein today, remained true to his working class roots.He scorned the hypocritical purists when he wrote “that there is any real ground for regarding Irish dancing as a sovereign spiritual and nationalistic prophylactic” and was utterly contemptuous of official middle-class forms of Irishness.

Like the backward Ireland of today, nurtured in censorship with its concepts of say rape as simply sexual O'Brien was forced in The Third Policeman, to parody sex, which undoubtedly would have been censored, by describing the object of desire as not a woman but a bicycle. He rambled on about “the prefect proportion of its parts,. . .about how desirable her seat was, how charming the welcome of her slim encircled handlearms, how exotically competent and satisfactory her pump resting comfortably against the back of her thigh!” Like the banning today or internment of almost every serious Irish contemporary republican he was forced to speak in forked tongues rather than his native working class form of expression. His predicament like most Irish working class was that his people who originally had English rammed down their throats under pain of death, experienced it all over again with similar violent, economic, penalties by Catholic Fascist Nationalists such as for example, British Sinn Fein today.

Irish Setter

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Tue Oct 18, 2011 18:55

now go teach your granny to suck eggs. A friend of mine has a play on the bould brian if your in the pale at the minit. Look for it, there's a few about. others, includin redicillissmus, and blue raincoat, if I'm not misrecalling did excellent reworkings.

You dont think Christy Brown ranks as a great irish writer?Brinsley MacNamara?O' Casey?Bobby Sands?Where's Shaw(west brit?)Beckett?Shane McGowan?Rory Gallagher?Behan's Hostage?Mannix Flynn?And i neglect many.

No doubt you'll be having a grand burning after your krystallnicht republican inaugeration.

When you finish, try Swift's 'Modest Proposal'(you wont have to hold your aristocratic nose too long over his malodourous west britishness, its only an eight-page pamphlet.
And the original(no, not the kiddies version they give us to inoculate and anaesthetize us against taking him SERIOUS)Gulliver saterises our idiocies more casustically than flann ever achieved. One day, when we grow up, we'll chop the top off the Spindle in the Swindle, where nelson became our first astronaut, and place The Great Dane in his proper place, as the first man to use their own language against the horrors of british imperialism in a way that shames them and all aristocratic arrogance and doublethink cruelty, even yet.
if that dont wake you, I'll order a tombstone. Finnegan does a great line.

Its your own thick nose you are cutting off to spite your face, unnecessarily. Broaden your brain. Shakespear also spoke to us, and Chaucer and Pepys wouldhave no problem laughing with O'B. At least Flann retained his humour, despite his trials.

but credit to ya. flann 's d man. Did ya dip into 'At War', the '39-'45 columns?

by Springer Tue Oct 18, 2011 20:43

Is that Irish Setter a bitch, nice one, fancy breeding her with an West Brit (sorry English) Springer

The West Brit Springer Spaniel

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Tue Oct 18, 2011 23:52

Don't we have enough mongrels already ?

Vote Mongrel For President

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Wed Oct 19, 2011 06:44

Where do Tone, Emmet, Brit-fathered Pearse, ex-brit army Connolly.....all come in your kelthikkk pantheon of Bushy-tailed scorpion republicans?

My compliments to the patience of all wageslaves, who recognise the nature of constructing republican futures, rather than indulging in juvenile sabotage.

All bastards???

Your some pedigree showdog. Pure Crufts.

by AchuslaClarke - AllVoices Wed Oct 19, 2011 19:34

PAEDO FIGHTERS SLEEPING WITH RADIOACTIVE FISH IN BRITISH NUKED IRISH SEA - see Link below for details censored by BRITISH SINN FEIN'S friend THE PENSIVE QUILL

IS THE NEXT IRISH PRESIDENT HERE ?

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:09

to you too brian...

But I still dont get your point.
Maybe I'm i'm not too bright, but you seem to both support bombing campaigns and despise SF for stopping theirs, and at the same time civil disobedience is the real alternative and only way to go.???What am I missing?There's at least one visible contradiction.

I've opposed the armed dimension since the sixties, but am honest enough to know that if i was born above I'd have got caught in it, from either side. I am not SF, but respect the job they did in disciplining what could have been even more fucking savage, and bringing it to a stage where some equality has begun(long way to shovel, but thats the story all over).

If I vote I'll give it to McG, for his salary stance, as the only sign of actual exemplary(by example) leadership in the gig.

I'm not interested in making enemies(plenty thanks) but changing the way we do things, only way its gonna happen, and it cannot hapen till it goes global, cos its a global evolution crisis where we decide what is animal and what actually constitutes HUMAN  behaviour.

Meantime, enjoy the parties. But dont be boring us with personnal vendettas.(well I'll correct that to me not us, I'm not plural or all voices).

by BrianClarkeNUJ - AllVoices Thu Oct 20, 2011 13:13

Personal Vendettas did you say ?, No I don't live like that but British Sinn Fein do, here's an example ! "Sinn Féin leaves ex-IRA blanketman out in the cold (Suzanne Breen, Sunday World) An ex-IRA prisoner who lay in the H-Block cell next to dying hunger-strikers Francis Hughes and Raymond McCreesh says he has been snubbed by Sinn Féin. Paul McGlinchey, who endured years of inhuman conditions in jail, wasn't invited to the first ever re-union of former blanketmen last weekend. Around 1,200 other ex-prisoners from across the North attended the ground-breaking gathering in Belfast. McGlinchey, from the staunchly republican village of Bellaghy in south Derry, is devastated by the snub. "I was the longest-serving blanketman in the H-Blocks. For five years, I lay naked in my cell with only a blanket to cover me. There wasn't even a mattress to sleep on, only a three-inch bit of sponge on the ground," he said. "There was no glass in the cell window. When the rain and the snow came in, I'd cover the window with my blanket which meant I was completely naked. At times, I thought I'd freeze to death." McGlinchey alleged he was "beaten black and blue" by prison officers: "I don't regret the sacrifice I made but I've been treated like dirt by certain Sinn Féin leaders and supporters." A group of ex-prisoners spent over a year organising the blanketmen's reunion which they pledged was non-party political. But McGlinchey accused South Derry Sinn Féin figures of intervening behind the scenes to ensure he wasn't invited. "They asked over 1,000 people. How they could accidentally forget me? The first I knew of the re-union was when I read a newspaper article about it by Sinn Féin official Jim Gibney five days after the event." McGlinchey admitted he was "angry and emotional" about the snub: "Who the hell are these people to have me excluded? I earned the right to be at that re-union." At the gathering, 400 medals were awarded to ex-blanketmen. Laurence O'Neill, a founding Provisional IRA member, said: "If anyone deserved a medal for their sacrifice in the H-Blocks, it's Paul McGlinchey. He's been treated disgracefully." The ex-prisoner is a brother of murdered INLA leader, Dominic McGlinchey. Paul McGlinchey was the second republican to join the world-famous blanket protest in 1976. He was sentenced to 14 years in Long Kesh for IRA membership and arms' possession. "I was ordered to wear a prison uniform. I said, 'I'm no criminal, I'll die rather than do that'. So they threw me naked into a cell," he recalled. "Many other republican prisoners complied and wore the uniform. Only one prisoner, Kieran Nugent, was on the blanket before me." The ex-IRA man claimed he was brutally beaten because of his family: "The prison officers were vicious because I was a McGlinchey. They'd demand I call them sir. When I refused, I was punched and kicked. Once, they beat me non-stop for an hour. Then, they took an iron bar and shoved it repeatedly up my back passage until I passed out." IRA prisoner, Tom McElwee who later died on hunger-strike, heard McGlinchey's screams of agony: "Tom shouted, 'Hang on in there, comrade!'" McGlinchey joined the dirty protest in 1978 when prisoners started smearing their cells with excrement in the campaign for political status. "For three years, we lived in appalling conditions. The dirt and stench was over-powering. I'd wake up in the morning with maggots crawling over me," he said. "Francis Hughes and Raymond McCreesh lay dying in the next cell until they went to the prison hospital." McGlinchey (52) admitted: "I've never really left the H-blocks. I carry its horrors with me every day." He became a senior Sinn Féin activist after his release but left the party in 2007 when it supported policing. "Since then, I've been excluded from every ex-prisoner event in South Derry. "When I lay wreaths on Francis Hughes' and Tom McElwee's graves, the cards with my name on the wreaths are removed. When I apply to ex-prisoners' groups for a bursary for my children, they don't even reply whereas other former IRA men secure funds easily." McGlinchey stressed he wasn't a dissident: "I'm completely against a return to armed struggle. I've no animosity to ordinary Sinn Féin members. My brother Sean is the Sinn Féin Lord Mayor of Limavady. But in South Derry if you disagree with party policy, you're ostracised." October 19, 2011" ReShare PETITION : HUMAN RIGHTS FOR IRISH REPUBLICAN PRISONERS - http://bit.ly/BRITtorture

PETITION : HUMAN RIGHTS FOR IRISH REPUBLICAN PRISONERS

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Oct 20, 2011 13:45

that fits my understanding.

Just ease a bit with the vitriol; it will aid your case.
I doubt you lump your brother with the worst of them. And clarify regarding the current return to idiotic semtex sandwitches.
The thread seems to indicate ambiguity, or am I not getting it?I can understand people being angry enough for it, but as you also say, civil dis and organisation through information and patience is the only way we get out of these holes.
I'm just hoping it wont all go fucking 32 county ulsterisation, which I've been predicting for a long time, but not with any desire to be proved right. But when you look around, our ascendancies aint lernin nuttin, same economic program to get us out of the hole as fucked us into it. Try not to jump on those who dont see your point immediately. More bees with sugar and all that shit.