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category national | anti-capitalism | news report author Friday May 19, 2006 12:26author by Cathy Swift - People before Profitauthor email Catherine.Swift at may dot ieauthor phone 086-0679708 Report this post to the editors

Meeting 12th May, Cassidys Hotel, Dublin

People before Profit held their fifth public information and discussion meeting on the topic of "Who owns Ireland" on Friday 12th May. Speakers included Carmel McKenna (standing for People before Profit in Wicklow), Frances Corr (representing CRAI), Frank Connolly of CPI and Village and Richard Boyd Barrett (SWP and People before Profit candidate in Dun Laoghaire.)

Who owns Ireland?

At a meeting in Cassidy’s Hotel, Dublin on the 12th May, People before Profit held their fifth public meeting of the year on the topic of “Who owns Ireland?”. The meeting was addressed by Carmel McKenna, Frances Corr, Frank Connolly and Richard Boyd Barrett. There were also contributions from the floor.

The first speaker was Carmel McKenna, a community activist and ex-Labour Party member selected by the Wicklow People before Profit group to contest the general election. She began by interrogating the title - what was meant by “own”? Do we, as Irish citizens, “own” our democracy? Did we vote for coalition government ? Do we “own” our education system? She quoted Fergus Finlay: children are three times more likely to be illiterate if they come from disadvantaged backgrounds. Approximately 1000 children do not make the transition from primary to secondary school, mainly travellers. At third level, 80% of the children of those with professional qualifications go to college while only 28% of those defined as “working class” do so. Furthermore, there is an increasing trend of dropping out of college prior to taking the degree amongst the latter group.
On the issue of housing, she pointed out that we are encouraged to think of equity rather than of homes and that this government has dismally failed to provide the affordable houses which it has promised. On trade-unions – do we “own” our trade unions? Can we control their attitude to partnership? On current attitudes to philanthropy – too frequently we are asked to be grateful to wealthy and benevolent patrons who are providing public assets without being told what these same business men are being given in return in the form of cheap State land and other benefits.
As citizens, do we control the rezoning of land? Who is making the decision to build vast quantity of high-density, low spec apartments or to divide communities through forcing through specific road projects? McKenna would argue that local and regional governmental reform is needed to take power from unelected officials and given back to the people. Proper orderly and phased planning is needed where sports facilities and coastal amenities are given their proper place.
In short, she concluded, that we, the citizens of Ireland own Ireland just as the 1916 proclamation claims but it has been robbed from us by bad government and greedy developers. A revolution is needed in hearts and minds to challenge the prevailing consensus, protect our natural and historical heritage and to join with Wolfe Tone, Michael Davitt, Jim Larkin, James Connolly and the other 1916 revolutionaries in claiming the land of Ireland for the citizens of Ireland.

The second speaker was Frances Corr from Ringsend who spoke of the rampant development in what was still, despite its Dublin 4 status, a socially deprived area. Even the old dump, which closed less than 30 years ago, is now considered ripe for development and is worth millions. The extremely expensive sewerage scheme in Ringsend, designed to deal with the entire sewerage output of south Dublin, is still not working, apparently because it cannot cope with the increased demands made by hotels in the summer months. What will happen once the many new developments south of the river Liffey come on stream is not at all clear. The new incinerator, although not yet built, has already had its capacity increased from 500,000 to 600,000 tons which in turn means 40 trucks a day, 365 days a year making their way down a single access route. The old glass recycling plant is to be developed and the public right of way across the beach is to be closed off. Meanwhile, the local residents are spending their scant time and resources fighting for proper and transparent planning and to stop overdevelopment of a residential area.
She illustrated the problems Ringsend people faced with two specific examples. In local authority housing in the area, no provision at all is made for recycling. Instead, the argument has been made to them that since local authority tenants do not pay for their waste disposal, they will not sort out material for recycling if this option were offered to them. Thus the figures for raw waste are inflated, increasing the perceived need for an incinerator. Secondly, she pointed to a leaflet circulated by Minister McDowell in which he claimed to be against the incinerator and that it breached government guide lines. As Corr pointed out, if it breaches government guidelines, why can’t the Irish Minister for Justice stop it?

The third speaker was Frank Connolly, director of the Centre for Public Inquiry before it was prematurely shut down and now investigative reporter with the magazine Village. In his speech he recapped many of the points made in the Centre’s Corrib gas report (still available in Easons and other bookshops) and in his Village report of 11th May 2006 which he encouraged his listeners to purchase. He drew attention to the safety report by Dr Richard Kuprewicz of Accufacts in the CPI report which has recently been endorsed in the new government-commissioned report by risk analysts Advantica. He also drew attention to the political decisions which had been made by successive Irish government ministers from Justin Keating on. In his view, the concessions made to oil companies by Ministers Ray Burke and Bertie Ahern mean that the state of Ireland will gain nothing from the exploitation of oil and gas reserves off the west coast. This has been the case with regard to Kinsale, for example, which despite being in existence some 35 years has yet to yield a penny to Irish revenue. He disagreed with the argument that the oil companies had to be encouraged to investigate possible oil fields – pointing out that since Ahern had agreed to abolish royalties and allow the oil companies to claim tax write-offs against all exploration, development and shut-down costs, the number of explorations in Irish waters had actually gone down. In fact, investigation showed that the data which pinpointed probable locations for the oil companies to explore had, in fact, been originally drawn up by Irish scientists and paid for by the Irish state.
In his summary of his Village article, he pointed out that Tony O’Reilly’s Providence Oil had spent 11,000 euro for an exploration licence. Providence had now sold on the right to develop the field to Exxon Mobil for over 20 billion euros while retaining 16% of its stake and giving O’Reilly 7% personally of the total value of any find. This means that Providence Oil will make some billions of euros out of what had been a national resource belonging to the citizens of Ireland. He finished by quoting Tony O’Reilly’s comment made to Forbes magazine in 1983: “Since I own 35% of the newspapers in Ireland I have close contact with the politicians. I got the blocks he (his appointed geologist) wanted.”

The final speaker was Richard Boyd Barrett, a member of the Socialists Workers Party and the Save Our Seafront campaign who has been selected by the People before Profit group in Dun Laoghaire to stand as their candidate in the next election. He began by referring back to 1916 and supplemented Carmel McKenna’s quote with the statement, also from the 1916 proclamation, that all the children of Ireland should be cherished equally. He noted that while it has been represented in recent weeks as a nationalist revolt against an imperial power, 1916 was also the culmination of a war by the peasants and workers of Ireland to demand control of the land of Ireland. Now, this FF/PD government are running to hand over control of Irish land and resources to a new aristocracy composed of international corporates and mega-rich businessmen like Tony O’Reilly.
Next, he turned to the Health Service and asked the audience: do people really believe that Mary Harney was trying to solve the health crisis? If so, he disagreed. Boyd Barrett argues that the crisis is not the result of mistakes – it is being deliberately caused to facilitate the handover of public health resources to private businesses and he pointed to the investment of Larry Goodman’s investment in private hospitals in Galway and the Blackrock Clinic. Brendan Drumm is on record as hoping that under the new reforms, no-one should have to lie on a trolley for more than a month – is this a reasonable ambition or the treatment of human beings as packaged meat?
Thirdly, he spoke of the housing scandal and how there is a bigger crisis in house provision than ever before even in the biggest building boom ever known in Ireland. Again, he believes that this is a deliberate policy rather than accident: council houses ceased to be built in order to make profits for developers. Even the coastal amenities are under threat – what he described as a cabal known as the Dublin Regional Authority whose membership is made up of developers and councillors, are currently having unpublicised meetings in which plans are being made to create only privatised and commercial access to the seafronts.
Unfortunately, he continued, it is difficult to see where the opposition to the government will come from. There is no fundamental difference between FF and FG and Enda Kenny’s recent performance of Ard Feis was vacuous. Labour is rushing to the right, as witnessed by their recent call for immigrant control and their unwillingness to challenge the neo-liberal ethos. Even the Greens and Sinn Féin have indicated their willingness to do business with the right-wing parties. In that regard, People before Profit are absolutely clear that they will not go into coalition with right-wing parties and will instead work with grass-roots and community movements which are springing up all over the country in opposition to the authoritarian imposition of a neo-liberal ethos by an uncaring government.

Points made from the floor included the fact that since the Stardust fire, only one single fire officer has been appointed in Dublin, despite the huge increase in the population. Furthermore, Dublin’s chief fire officer has pointed out that on many of the new developments, there are no proper fire exits and that in the event of a fire, people will almost inevitably die. Another speaker from the south-west pointed out that it was a mistake to assume that those who paid health insurance get a good service – appointments to see cancer specialists could take up to 6 weeks and mammograms could take up to 6 months, even in areas of the country where the population had not boomed. Others referred to the Partnership negotiations and the attempts to introduce artificial distinctions between Civil Service grades when a favoured few will get pay increases on a grace and favour basis from their managers. Finally, it was pointed out that Haliburton (the American international once run by Dick Cheney) will now control the Fermoy by-pass until 2037 and will control the proposed Shannon tunnel till 2044.

Participants also asked that future meetings be organised by People before Profit on the disability bill and on the lack of democracy in local government. We would also welcome suggestions re future meetings from Indymedia readers.

author by John McDermott - removefiannafailpublication date Fri May 19, 2006 17:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Best of luck in Dunlaoire. I wonder if some "people before profit" candidates could also stand elswhere in the coming election.?

Related Link: http://www.soldiersofdestiny.org
author by Bray Headpublication date Fri May 19, 2006 17:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The first speaker was Carmel McKenna, a community activist and ex-Labour Party member selected by the Wicklow People before Profit group to contest the general election. "

When did this happen? PBPA Bray have only held one meeting and Carmel was not selected as a candidate at that meeting. If PBPA are going to register as a Political Party then their selection procedures will have to be above aboard. Anyone could complain to the Registrar of Political Parties that a selection conventionwas not held.

If PBPA are registering as a party then its candidates will have to stand as independents or for the SWP. PBPA will not appear on the ballot paper.

author by Cathy Swift - People before Profitpublication date Sat May 20, 2006 14:00author email Catherine.Swift at may dot ieauthor address author phone 086-0679708Report this post to the editors

There has been more than one People before Profit meeting in Wicklow.

In the case of both Carmel McKenna and Richard Boyd Barrett a public meeting was held in their respective localities to launch a People before Profit group. This was widely advertised in local media and through leaflets. Everybody who attended those meetings was invited to leave their name and email if they were interested in belonging to a People before Profit group. The people who did so were subsequently invited to a meeting which discussed, amongst other things, whether their particular group wanted to put forward an election candidate (not all People before Profit groups wish to do so.) Both meetings decided they would like to put forward candidates and they were proposed, seconded and elected in the normal fashion by those present.

By the way, I'm told, though I am not myself a resident of Wicklow, that FF in that constituency are not holding selection conventions at all but simply interviewing candidates - is this right? Should one be complaining to the Register of Political Parties about that?

author by Bray Personpublication date Sat May 20, 2006 18:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Come now Ms Swift - the selection in Bray was not publicly advertised -

Any subsequent meeting appears to have been for selected invitees only

Please do not try and present that as democratic and open

author by Bray Headpublication date Sat May 20, 2006 19:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

No better person than yoursef to make complaints to the Registrar about FF. But it still does not gey PBPA/SWP off the hook. There was nothing transparent or above board about the way Carmel or RBB were selected as candidates.

author by ouwoopublication date Sun May 21, 2006 14:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

FF are not the issue here - to the best of my knowledge the registrar of policial parties don't have rules about selection conventions

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/government_in_ireland/governmen....html

I do think though that PBPA are being very hypocritical by not being much more open and accountable and democratic in selecting candidates

author by Cathy Swift - People before Profitpublication date Tue May 23, 2006 10:59author address author phone 086-0679708Report this post to the editors

We think our system is fair and transparent and clearly open to all who have expressed even a passing interest in being associated with People before Profit but if you have a better idea, do by all means post it and I'll forward it for discussion.

On the morning that's in it and after listening to Dick Roche blustering on the radio, can I congratulate the lady who's been protesting about the Bray fire service for years? I'm afraid I don't know her name (not being from Wicklow) but I heard about her campaign via People before Profit people from Bray and she's clearly won a major break through.

Cathy Swift

author by Bray Headpublication date Tue May 23, 2006 11:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You could have announced that you were holding a meeting to select candidate(s). Those who were interested could have been invited to join PBPA (how do you join PBPA?), so that they could vote on the prospective candidate(s). By keeping the selection of candidates a secret, you have undermined the credibility of PBPA in Wicklow.

author by anonpublication date Tue May 23, 2006 12:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Who wanted PB4P to have candidates other the candidates and their cronies, surely Carmel and RBB were going to put themselves up for election anyway, RBB certainly aws, what do they need PB4B (to nominate them) for ? what will be on the Posters SWP or PB4B .I seem to remember some shenanigans with how RBB registered himself last time out.

author by anonpublication date Tue May 23, 2006 12:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Anybody can put forward any candidate they like and can select them in any manner they want. PbP comprises a small group of progressive people who want to put forward an election candidate. So what's the issue?

Democratic? Don't know what this means when dealing with an ad hoc group. What is PbP anyway? A campaign? A party? An electoral alliance? Hard to know but I think those ACTUALLY involved are entited to put forward candidates. They're not claiming to represent you and me.

Truthfully, I think PbP is a very small group with a great deal of belief in its own importance. It doesn't a community base anywhere, not in any genuine sense.

I'm sure they are doing A-1 work and I'd probably vote for them if they had somebody in my constituency.

author by Cathy Swiftpublication date Tue May 23, 2006 12:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Anon is quite right - we are still a small group (though I disagree that we are full of our own importance.) We only formed in November after all and we all have to gain the wherewithal to eat if we want to keep the thing going. Essentially what we've done so far is to hold public meetings on a fairly regular basis - so far mostly in Dublin and Wicklow though Galway has started a group and Cork have had at least one meeting. At the meetings we circulate sheets asking people to leave contact emails and phone numbers if they're interested and then when the next meeting comes along, we contact them. Other than that, its word of mouth, postings on Indymedia, letters to Village and anything else we can think of. Now that Joan Collins has got her motion passed re postering at DCC, we'll probably try and do postering as well but as you know, that's not been possible in Dublin City Centre recently and there's growing pressure in Dun Laoghaire and elsewhere (they've also experienced problems in Waterford in the last year.)

As we grow, we hope to do email newsletters and stuff but any suggestions as to how to organise ourselves better will be gratefully received.

author by Terencepublication date Tue May 23, 2006 13:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

A good report.

I find it incredible that they have handed over the Fermoy bypass till 2037 and the Shannon tunnel till 2044. Thats 31 and 38 years respectively. It makes the 20 year handover of the Liffey toll bridge look tame. One is tempted to say have they learned nothing, but of course it's not about learning anything. Its simply pure corruption.

Nor had I realized that the country got nothing from the Kinsale Gas field. No wonder they are so confident of doing the same with Corrib.

author by Bray Headpublication date Tue May 23, 2006 13:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Now that Joan Collins has got her motion passed re postering at DCC, we'll probably try and do postering as well but as you know, that's not been possible in Dublin City Centre recently "

Nonsense. Pleny of groups, WSM, AY, GGD, SF, RSF have all continued to poster for meetings and events despite the DCC action. You really will have to better than come out with fairytales like that. PBPA is just another SWP front which has picked candidates at secret meetings.

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