Finglas Company relocates to China

by John Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:45

So what? Companies relocate/expand/contract all the time. Some close their operations in Ireland and relocate elsewhere. Some close their operations abroad and relocate to Ireland. Some expand in Ireland while contracting abroad. Some contract in Ireland while expanding abroad. Its called free enterprise. Thousands of individual companies making individual decisions, all different. I suggest you look at the overall picture. The reality is that employment is increasing in Ireland faster than in any other country in the world. In the past year the number in employment in Ireland has increased by almost 100,000 or over 5 per cent. No other country in the EU comes remotely close to this. As a result, we have full employment and 80,000 immigrants coming to Ireland annually because there are far more jobs available in Ireland than there are people to fill them. As for the daft suggestion that the matter be raised in the Dail, has the person who suggested it learned nothing from the past 20 years? Politicians have no say or control over where companies locate/expand/contract. Do you want TDs to have the final say on investment decisions of companies? That would really be a great selling-point when trying to attract multi-national companies to come to Ireland or indeed Irish companies to expand in Ireland. You might as well say that the decision of Intel to build a plant in Kildate rather than in Kentucky should be raised in the U.S. Senate. Get rid of your persecution complex.

by eamon Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:55

Well John, 1.5 millon euro was given by the taxpayer to this company over 40 years. I agree its up to companies to decide where to locate but if they are going they should hand back the money they got from the State.

by John Thu Nov 02, 2006 14:08

They shouldn't pay anything back unless that was part of a signed contract with the IDA that they pay back some grants should they close down within a specified period. I know the IDA sometimes does that with companies, but usually to stop fly-by-night companies getting grants and closing down six months later. I'd be surprised if any such contract required paying back grants after 40 years. If they've been there 40 years and employing 80 people as the original post stated, then I reckon that means they must have forked out over 100 million euros in wages in that time and probably as much again for local services in the Finglas area. So, 1.5 million euros is small beer. Instead of moaning, why don't you just accept that Ireland's industrial strategy over the past forty years of (a) low labour and corporation taxes (b) moderately generous grants (c) non-interference in the running of companies (d) flexible labour laws is wildly successful and the main reason why we're enjoying such prosperity today.

by Tony Thu Nov 02, 2006 16:57

Prosperity in Dublin? Dolphin House, West Tallaght, Ballyfermot, Kilbarrack, Finglas, Ballymun?, Cherry Orchard, Teresa's Gardens, Fatima Mansions, North and South Inner City, etc. You must live elsewhere John. The only prosperity I see in my area is in the a few private apartment complexes built.

Facts about Poverty in Ireland
Poverty Rates (CSO 2004)
Consistent Poverty 6.8% 272,000 people
At Risk of Poverty 19.4% 776,000 people

Child Poverty (CSO 2004)
Consistent Poverty 9.5% 79,000 children
At Risk of Poverty 21.2% 175,000 children
Combat Poverty Agency

by Aidan Kennedy - Donaghmede Dublin North East Thu Nov 02, 2006 17:31

I live in Kilbarrack and I am a member of the Progressive Democrats,
My neighbour is a T.D while unemployment is less than 4% in Dublin North East.

by Northsider Thu Nov 02, 2006 17:48

I couldn't agree with you more Aidan. Northsiders certainly rule. You introduced the figure 4% and here's another lower number 2.59%. That's what your ward thought of you and the PD's. No PDers elected on the Northside. Damn right, us Northsiders rule ok.

by Aidan Kennedy - Donaghmede Dublin North East Thu Nov 02, 2006 18:32

My low vote could have been caused by my support for the local parole office in Donaghmede, I would sooner see my younger friends and neighbours who misbeave being rehabilated in a local parole office for local offenders rather than been dumped in Mountjoy.

Unfortunaly neither Fine Gael, Labour, Sinn Fein or even my good friend and Independent candidate Tom "Anti-Parole Office" Brennan supported this local office. Indeed they were quite happy to campaign on a single issue evendo it would mean that some of our younger friends and neighbours would be neglected anddumped in the prison system.

Thankfull there were a few candidates with principals and I include myself and Martin Brady FF amongst them.

Five coucillors were elected and only 2/3 can be seen in our local community.

by Con Thu Nov 02, 2006 20:09

4 per cent in a constituency that includes Howth, Sutton and other relatively comfortable areas. Tell the truth Aiden. Tell me what is the unemployment rate in Kilbarrack, then add those in receipt of one parent family payment that are not working, then add the pensioners who are surviving on a state pension alone, then add the people in receipt of invalidity payments, put them all together and you have the REAL unemployment figure.

Aiden can you confirm that you support the guy called John when he says that Companies are entitled to move to countries like China where workers have no rights to improve their profit margins? Do you support companies receiving bucket lods of cash as an incentive to locate here and agree that they should not have to return the money when they take off? I would love to know the PD position as I will enjoy informing the voters in Finglas.

by John Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:41

Your claims on unemployment are laughable. No country in the world includes pensioners among the ranks of the unemployed, let alone some of the other groups you mention. My aunt was 102 last week. Do you want her included in the unemployment statistics to advance your case for a socialist government? Are you proposing that when you come to power you'll find her a job? The reality is that unemployment is calculated in Ireland in the same way as in every other country and, on that basis, Ireland has the lowest unemployment rate in the EU. That's why immigrants are flocking here. Which part of that do you not understand?

by Harold Shipman - Doctor Fri Nov 03, 2006 22:45

John, you say your aunt is 102. Can she work? I tell you, she can be of great service. have you ever seen the film "soylent green". there is always work for the elderly.

by D_D Sun Nov 05, 2006 14:12

'John's' comment of 'so what?' is typical of Business School callousness. It is human beings we are talking about here. Some of them moved, as 'John' would be happy with, to this firm only last year when their previous firm, Mouldpro in Finglas, closed with ten minutes notice to the workers.

Of course, smartass, affluent, well-certified neo-cons like 'John' never have to deal with dislocation.

by Sunmoon - talkaboutchina.net Sun Feb 04, 2007 00:20

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