For the fifth day Gaza still under attack; Death toll 390.

by Frank Adam - private citizen Sat Jan 03, 2009 00:45

I was a teenager in the fifties and saw the Arab governments sponsor border raiding against Israel. After eight years of it totting up to about 12 000 incidents and 1200 casualties of which 800 died in those pre- helicopter days without good roads; the balloon went up for the Sinai Campaign.

Then the borders were relatively quiet till Syria, at Soviet urging to embarrass the US to pressure it out of V'Nam egged Egypt to threaten Israel with a compulsory swim and got kicked where it hurt. When Egypt agreed to recognise Israel and exchange, albeit grudgingly, the usual courtesies between peaceful neighbours, Egypt got its Sinai back.

Ditto when Arafat agreed to "Oslo" he got a lot - but could not run with it as state and nation building goes; and Jordan got peace too. It is a real pity that Syria has violently to the point of assassinating Lebanese leaders, prevented that unhappy country from making a treaty with Israel which would further calm the whole area.

This time as with Hizbollah in 2006 you can take easy bets for when the archives open, that Iran has egged on Hamas on the usual failure to respect the opponent (as Nasrallah in 2006), and the lark of stirring a Middle East war to raise oil prices which furnish 80% of Iran's budget.

Hamas and Iran are cynically spending Palestine Arab lives because their minds are in a medieval authoritarian bag that theologically refuses to recognise the right of Israel to live as an equal independent UN member. That has always been why Arabs and other Moslems pursue this war and the West is daft to pay for the Palestine Arabs food etc because that excuses Arabs weighing the consequences of wars on their civil population.

Pro-tem the Arab War on Israel's independence will end with the oil era. As for the Palestine state nothinghas stopped its establishment except the the bone headed Arab priority on kicking Israel before building Palestine - but then Jordan and Egypt sliced up Arab Palestine for themselves initially and nobody cared a damn - least of all Irish media.

by Bazooka Joe Thu Jan 01, 2009 21:03

According to the UNRWA a quarter of those killed by the Judeo-Fascists are civilians.
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArtic....html

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/civilian-death-to...msr_1

Civilians have no place of refuge from this holocaust
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZj67...A9QO0

Zionist Targets apart from Police Stations

Female Campus in the Islamic University
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-12/29/content_10...0.htm

5 Girls while attempting to his a Mosque
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/30/israel-and-...-east

With bombs from US
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=123045650508...wFull

1000 Iranian doctors volunteer for Gaza Mission
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=80014§ionid=35...20101

by Moshe Wed Dec 31, 2008 17:52

Palestinians can live in dignity if they recognise the state of Israel, stop attacking Israeli civilians and disarm and dismantle the infrastructure of terrorism.

I repeat. Israel wants two states - Israeli and Palestinian living in peaceful co-existence.

But there can be no peace while Israeli is under bombardment from Hamas and there can be no negotiation with Hamas unless it abandons its ideological commitment to destroying Israel and murdering the Jews.

The ball is in their court.

by Michael Hogan Wed Dec 31, 2008 16:59

Moshe does the word Dignity ever enter into the Israeli mindset when thinking of ones neighbours?

by Moshe Wed Dec 31, 2008 16:50

Hundreds of thousands of innocent Israeli civilians have endured 8 years of Hamas rockets and mortars which have killed more than 400 Israelis.

No country on earth should be asked to endure these murderous attacks.

The 350+ dead Palestinians, more than 5 in every 6 is a member of Hamas.

The deaths of innocent civilians is a tragedy but it is children, women and the elderly who live in schools, homes and hospitals who have been deliberately put in the firing line because it is from civilian areas that Hamas is firing the rockets at Israeli civilians using their own people as a human shield.

Israeli air strikes have been launched while attempting as much as humanly possible to spare civilians.

Hamas meanwhile is deliberately targetting Israeli civilians and rejoices in the deaths of innocent people.

The land and sea blockade of Gaza is a direct result of terrorists, whether gunmen or suicide bombers, crossing into Israel and killing innocent Israeli civilians.

Israel occupied Gaza in 1967 because Gaza, then a part of Egypt, was the most obvious jumping off point for the planned Egyptian invasion of Souther Israel.

Israel wants peace with the Palestinians, is committed to the two state solution.

Hamas seeks nothing less than the destruction of Israel and to mass murder all Jewish Israelis.

What other options can Israel use against this fanatical enemy except force?

by Gab Wed Dec 31, 2008 16:46

That underground tunnel was from the Gaza strip INTO Israel, and digging it was a bold violation of the ceasefire.
Please note that DURING the so-called-ceasefire the Palestinians kept firing rockets into Israel every day, aiming civilians only (in the last 7 years, there were maybe 5 occations of rockets hitting army bases).

by Ned Wed Dec 31, 2008 16:41

No, I don't; Israel, since its first day as a state, is not a defenseless country - it's army making sure
that it won't be the case.

People like Paul like to forget some facts, such as the fact that during the so called "ceasefire", the
Hamas fired tens if not hundreds of rockets on Sderot. But sure, lets blame evil Israel for blowing up
the underground tunnels that carried tons of weapons for the Hamas. Poor bastars...

by Paul Wed Dec 31, 2008 15:43

I think the hypocrisy lies in the people who blame Hamas solely. Do you think Israel is an innocent defenseless country, struggling to survive?

When Israel blew up the underground tunnel before the ceasefire ceased, it was them started the fight.

by ned Wed Dec 31, 2008 15:08

They won't stop until every building in Gaza will fall - even now they hide in hospitals!
They just don't care for the civilians, which was quite clear even befor they got beaten by the IDF
as they targeded Israeli towns, among them schools and kindergardens...

Criticizing Israel is an absolut hypocrisy.