OscailtCourt Report On “rape-tape” Sergeant Being Awarded €33,0000<strong>Barrister Leo Mulrooney to ex-Sgt James Gill: </strong> <em>“Complete the now well-known phrase 'Give me your name and address or I'll...' “</em>
<strong>Ex-Sgt James Gill : </strong><em> “I don't understand the question”</em>
<strong>Barrister Leo Mulrooney:</strong><em>“Do you know what I'm referring to when I say those words”</em>
<strong>Ex-Sgt James Gill: </strong><em>“No”</em>
<strong>Leo Mulrooney: </strong>-<em> “'Give me your name and address or ...' “</em>
<strong>Judge Margaret Heneghan interrupts: </strong><em>“He said 'No', next question”</em>
<strong>And so the lies of Corrib Gardaí continue in court !!!!</strong>
Breaking news: Italian MP, Sgarbi denounces the Statistical Fraud on COVID-19. The speech of the Member of Parliament Vittorio Sgarbi in the session of the Italian Camera, Meeting no. 331 of Friday 24, April, 2020. Vittorio Sgarbi, denounces the closure of 60% of the businesses for 25,000 COVID-19 Deaths, of which the National Institute of Health says 96.3% died NOT of COVID-19 but of other pathologies. That means only 925 have died of the virus. 24,075 have died of other things.2011-12-13T00:24:39+00:00Indymedia Irelandimc-ireland@lists.indymedia.iehttp://www.indymedia.ie/atomfullposts?story_id=101060http://www.indymedia.ie/graphics/feedlogo.gifNo Supprisehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2863962011-12-13T00:24:39+00:00Crusty"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" (Who will police the police)<br>"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" (Who will police the police)<br>And......http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2863982011-12-13T02:26:01+00:00MisterdWell seems clear o donnel said what he said. Not taking just that gardas word fo...Well seems clear o donnel said what he said. Not taking just that gardas word for it but others who where there too. The rape tape thing had no relavence and as I recall was not pursued by dpp so judge was 100% right to close that down. Quite rightly awarding him for slander.
Being honest that attempt to bring the rape tape thing into it annoyed the judge and done more harm then good to o donnels case. Change legal council for future courts not one who does the other sides job for them.Courthttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2864022011-12-13T08:30:22+00:00JamesDoes any one know whether Pat intends to pay this disgraceful fine? Is the garda...Does any one know whether Pat intends to pay this disgraceful fine? Is the garda in question demanding he pay the money? <br>Pat O'Donnellhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2864112011-12-13T17:02:58+00:00ConThere is no way that Pat O'Donnell should have to pay anything towards the €33,0...There is no way that Pat O'Donnell should have to pay anything towards the €33,000 awarded to Gill. But if the State insists we the people of Ireland should start a fund to pay all of Pat O'Donnell's legal costs arising from this disgraceful case which makes a complete mockery of the law.<br>Sgt Gill's "good name"http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2864492011-12-14T21:42:25+00:00garrowI presume this judgment will be appealed. I presume this judgment will be appealed. Grossly corrupt legal profession continues to support government crimehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2864612011-12-15T10:50:36+00:00W. Finnerty
"Presumably, and like the rest of our red-rotten-with-corruption
legal profe...<p>
"Presumably, and like the rest of our red-rotten-with-corruption
legal profession, Vincent Browne (Lawyer and Broadcaster) considers 'Government Crime' to
be 'not relevant' to the 'Catastrophe looms' problem he has
written about in his Irish Times article of Wednesday,
December 14, 2011?"<br>
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The above excerpt has been copied from the following <b>Open News</b> location:<br>
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Just shockinghttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2864622011-12-15T13:24:40+00:00ConorIt is hard to read this stuff.
Disgusting project, the whole bloody thing stin...It is hard to read this stuff.
Disgusting project, the whole bloody thing stinks to hell. James Gill ...http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2864632011-12-15T13:26:16+00:00Niall Harnett... You're a liar and a thug.<br>... You're a liar and a thug.<br>Not just for it, REhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2864702011-12-15T19:01:18+00:00opus diablosMore for the mentality that might repond to the diminution of anyone DISemployed...More for the mentality that might repond to the diminution of anyone DISemployed. I try not to focus on the individual idiots, I'd be forever at the mirror otherwise.<br><br>Many decent individuals still define themselves by their job, not a healthy identity. And when it (the job)goes their confidence evaporates...its a mental health macrophage gig I'm on. <br>Sorta suicide mission...in that too many decent people are bridge-jumping because of such attitudes and they need retorts(the attitudes). <br><br>My concession to reaction.<br>Shell policing apologists are out in "force". Gill's "reputation" is hardly worth 3c never mind 33khttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865012011-12-18T08:10:04+00:00lefty"The rape tape thing had no relavence and as I recall was not pursued by dpp so ...<p><em><strong>"The rape tape thing had no relavence and as I recall was not pursued by dpp so judge was 100% right to close that down. Quite rightly awarding him for slander."</em></strong></p>
<p>So what you are saying is, a tape that clearly indicates what kind of unpleasant character Gill actually was had no bearing on a case about Gill's character and reputation being maligned. Thats a pretty stupid statement.</p>Legal profession inconsistencieshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865122011-12-18T18:00:33+00:00W. FinnertyI am interested in this case for a number of reasons.
One of my reasons relates...I am interested in this case for a number of reasons.
One of my reasons relates to the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder symptoms referred to in connection with former Sergeant Gill.
I take it this must mean C-PTSD: i.e. Complex-Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, of the kind which builds up over a period of time.
Although I have a "To Whom It May Concern Letter" dated October 28th 2005 from my GP (at that time), I have never -- try as I might -- been able to get any legal representation whatsoever regarding the C-PTSD issues in question.
A scanned copy of the October 28th 2005 "To Whom It May Concern Letter" letter referred to above can be viewed at the following location:
<a href="http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com/DrMcCavert28October2005/Letter.htm" title="http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com/DrMcCavert28October2005/Letter.htm">http://www.europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.co...r.htm</a>
The many, many efforts I have made since October 28th 2005 to find the legal representation I still very badly need, include the registered letter I sent to Barrister John Glynn (Hogan & Co, Ballinasloe) on April 3rd 2007. A copy of the text of the letter in question (together with a scanned copy of Post Office receipt) can be viewed at:
<a href="http://europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com/JohnGlynn3April2007/EmailLetter.htm" title="http://europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com/JohnGlynn3April2007/EmailLetter.htm">http://europeancourtofhumanrightswilliamfinnerty.com/Jo...r.htm</a>
To date, I have not received any reply, not even an acknowledgement of receipt, from John Glynn (Barrister) to the registered letter referred to at the www address immediately above.
As this case with former Sergeant Gill very clearly shows though, the legal profession have no difficulty at all in raising Post Traumatic Stress Disorder issues in court when the victim is (or was at the time) on the Government payroll.
However, when the perpetrators of C-PTSD causing abuses are "public officials and bodies", and even when there is very clear and straightforward written medical evidence to substantiate the claim, as in my particular case, the whole situation is treated by the legal profession in an entirely different manner altogether: thanks, as I see things at least, to nothing other than pure (and totally disgusting) legal profession corruption of the kind which very vigorously supports government crime.
supporthttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865142011-12-18T20:12:19+00:00h.mI think Mr finnarty needs a big group hug....I think Mr finnarty needs a big group hug....Evidencehttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865172011-12-19T00:07:53+00:00contrarianSo what you are saying is, a tape that clearly indicates what kind of unpleasant...<em><strong>So what you are saying is, a tape that clearly indicates what kind of unpleasant character Gill actually was had no bearing on a case about Gill's character and reputation being maligned. Thats a pretty stupid statement.</em></strong><br><br>
Actually it’s not a stupid statement at all, lefty. There seems to be a complete misunderstanding of the reasons why the so-called “rape tape” matter was, quite rightly, excluded from the evidence presented to the court. In any court proceedings, only RELEVANT evidence can be presented. Relevant means evidence that tends to prove or disprove a matter that is in contention between the parties. The matter in contention in this case was simply “did O’Donnell utter the words complained of in December 2006 and did those words, if uttered, defame Sgt Gill.” The first proposition is a simple matter of fact. The second is a mixed matter of fact and law. It is difficult to see how a comment made by Gill in 2011 tends to prove or disprove either the making of the statement by O’Donnell or whether it constituted defamation in 2006. (Even if you accepted that the conversation captured on tape in 2011 damaged Gills reputation somewhat, it is his reputation in 2006, not 2011, that was the subject of the defamation trial.) <br><br>
Also, O’Donnell did not claim (as per the indy court report anyway) that those words, if spoken, did not defame Gill. Rather his defence was that he did not utter the words at all or he uttered some words as banter which were misheard or misinterpreted by Gill.
2 replyshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865262011-12-19T13:10:44+00:00CIn reply to LH*** who asked about the video evidence played in court. The video ...In reply to LH*** who asked about the video evidence played in court. The video showed Mr O Donnell saying "It's easier to steal it than to buy it" and also saying words to the effect [possibly not the exact phrase] of "ye're down here upholding the law one day and breaking it the next". These comments didn't seem to be directed at anyone but more said loudly for the people around to hear.</br></br>
These were the only words shown in court of Mr O'Donnell saying anything. Retired Garda Greg Burke said that it took him a second or 2 to switch on the camera when Mr O'Donnell started speaking about diesel.</br>
In my opinion it might be possible that Garda Greg Burke could miss the initial words spoken by Pat O'Donnell, but it doesn't make sense that Greg Burke wouldn't have filmed of the other comments that Mr O'Donnell is alleged to have said, if they were as offensive as was alleged by James Gill. Mr Gill alleged that Mr O'Donnell had roared "Diesel" a number of times at him. It'd be strange if this was not picked up at least once by some of the camera's if it was happening.</br></br>
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In reply to contrarian, actually it was claimed in court that the words wouldn't have defamed Mr Gill even if they had been spoken. From the article above.</br>
"In closing submissions Mr Mulrooney argued that the plantiff hadn't established the probability that the words as alleged were said at all. He also argued that even if the Judge decided that the words had been spoken as alleged that anyone listening to the words (either protesters or Gardaí) wouldn't have attached any real truth to the words. Finally he stated that the causal link between the alleged words and the physical and psychological illness that Mr Gill suffered hadn't been established."wikileaks where are you?http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865402011-12-19T19:18:04+00:00FlyOnTheWallthis is just the states way of giving Gill a possible little retirement sweetene...this is just the states way of giving Gill a possible little retirement sweetener for services rendered while at the same time attacking a strong anti shell protester. Clearly the judge is biased in gills favour. I wish we could get just one conversation between a belmullet judge and a shell or government official on tape to blow this whole affair wide open.To "h.m" at Sun Dec 18, 2011 20:12http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865472011-12-20T11:12:08+00:00W. FinnertyRe: "group hug"***Many thanks for the thought, and thanks also for teaching me s...Re: "group hug"***Many thanks for the thought, and thanks also for teaching me something I did not realise until now: that a "cyber hug" is nearly as good as the real thing.***Better even maybe (in some ways), when the imagination is given free rein !!***Merry Saturnalia & Happy New Year To All:*** "For much of life on earth, NATURE transmits an important signal on December 21st of each year. This is the day of The Winter Solstice in the Northern Hemisphere."***"It is on this day that nature's annual cycle of decay and degeneration gently (and almost imperceptibly) switches large portions of its energies to those of the opposite process: regeneration, and the creation of new life."***"It appears also that the significant increase in capacity which is believed to have occurred some 10,000 ago was the last major improvement that the human brain has undergone; and it is tempting to speculate that the next one, assuming (that is) that NATURE has plans for some more, might be marked by the time in history when human society finds the necessary combination of ingredients to purge itself of the skulduggery (or lack of integrity, or corruption, or whatever it is ???) which causes and sustains AVOIDABLE social problems of the kind outlined above in the text of the e-mail dated December 21st 2001."*** These excerpts have been copied from a considerably larger set of texts at the following www location: <a href="http://homepage.tinet.ie/~williamfinnerty/SATURNALIA/Dec_21st_2001.htm" title="http://homepage.tinet.ie/~williamfinnerty/SATURNALIA/Dec_21st_2001.htm">http://homepage.tinet.ie/~williamfinnerty/SATURNALIA/De...1.htm</a> ***Sorry about the *** clusters. The Indymedia text editor appears to be operating in some kind of unusual way, at least on my PC.
Legal costshttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865532011-12-20T14:07:31+00:00hm***Has anyone any idea how much legal costs Pat will have to pay because of this ju...Has anyone any idea how much legal costs Pat will have to pay because of this judgement? He has to pay both sides. Is that correct?An alternative viewhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2865992011-12-22T20:20:47+00:00Mary KellyEnglish Barrister Michael Mansfield in his excellent book ‘Memoirs of a radical ...English Barrister Michael Mansfield in his excellent book ‘Memoirs of a radical lawyer’ gives great detail to the excessive brutality of the police during the miner’s strikes in the 1980’s and how this was successfully fought in the courts. He warns that the introduction of the UK 2008 Counter Terrorism Act brought in oppressive measures of unlimited scope which could potentially outlaw the taking of photos of officers on duty.
Theres a book currently on sale in Waterstones titled ‘The Guards’ by Mark Condren- a photo essay of the Irish Gardai at work. An alternative book is surely needed showing a photos taken at various protests/demos/blockades where the Gardai have overstepped their powers. I’ve had had some good experiences of Gardai, and bad. Ideally it should all be positive,even if you are breaking the law or pushing its boundaries, and until it is, a comprehensive published archive of such photographic evidence would speak volumes.
Michael Mansfield gave a public talk in Cork last month, and commented very positively about the documentary ‘The Pipe’ praising the resistance of the local community against Shell. Perhaps he could be consulted in an advisory capacity by activists who want more effective legal representation from their legal people?
Michael Mansfield QChttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2866082011-12-23T09:38:17+00:00W. FinnertyTo Mary Kelly at Thu Dec 22, 2011 20:20.
While I fully understand your belief t...To Mary Kelly at Thu Dec 22, 2011 20:20.
While I fully understand your belief that Michael Mansfield QC might be able to help us, I wish you (and others) to note that I have already made him aware (several years ago) of the difficulties we are living with in the Republic of Ireland, as can be seen in the "To" recipient list of the e-mail at the following address: <a href="http://www.constitutionofireland.com/PatrickCullinane29January2006/Email.htm" title="http://www.constitutionofireland.com/PatrickCullinane29January2006/Email.htm">http://www.constitutionofireland.com/PatrickCullinane29...l.htm</a>. All he has done is to completely ignore all of the extremely serious evidence of government corruption and crime contained in, and via, the e-mail in question: which has left me feeling he is probably just another shill, in other words a confidence-trickster who operates with other confidence-tricksters for the purpose of fooling the bulk of the people into having confidence in the legal profession: a sophisticated (sort of) version of the three-card-trick type deception you can see performed at the Galway Races for example: but one which is almost infinitely more socially destructive (in my view).
Pats xmashttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2869292012-01-06T04:28:31+00:00H.mHope all of this wasn't weighing too much on pats shoulders over the holidays......Hope all of this wasn't weighing too much on pats shoulders over the holidays.....Sure weren't they the best of mates in schoolhttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/101060#comment2877182012-02-08T15:40:14+00:00Mayo news readerLooks like there's a straight-forward explaination to why the Judge granted Gill...Looks like there's a straight-forward explaination to why the Judge granted Gill the 33 grand. Seems they were classmates back in the day. <br />
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