A bird's eye view of the vineyard
Alternative Copy of thesaker.is site is available Thu May 25, 2023 14:38 | Ice-Saker-V6bKu3nz
Alternative site: https://thesaker.si/saker-a... Site was created using the downloads provided Regards Herb
The Saker blog is now frozen Tue Feb 28, 2023 23:55 | The Saker
Dear friends As I have previously announced, we are now “freezing” the blog.? We are also making archives of the blog available for free download in various formats (see below).?
What do you make of the Russia and China Partnership? Tue Feb 28, 2023 16:26 | The Saker
by Mr. Allen for the Saker blog Over the last few years, we hear leaders from both Russia and China pronouncing that they have formed a relationship where there are
Moveable Feast Cafe 2023/02/27 ? Open Thread Mon Feb 27, 2023 19:00 | cafe-uploader
2023/02/27 19:00:02Welcome to the ‘Moveable Feast Cafe’. The ‘Moveable Feast’ is an open thread where readers can post wide ranging observations, articles, rants, off topic and have animate discussions of
The stage is set for Hybrid World War III Mon Feb 27, 2023 15:50 | The Saker
Pepe Escobar for the Saker blog A powerful feeling rhythms your skin and drums up your soul as you?re immersed in a long walk under persistent snow flurries, pinpointed by
The Saker >>
Interested in maladministration. Estd. 2005
RTEs Sarah McInerney ? Fianna Fail?supporter? Anthony
Joe Duffy is dishonest and untrustworthy Anthony
Robert Watt complaint: Time for decision by SIPO Anthony
RTE in breach of its own editorial principles Anthony
Waiting for SIPO Anthony
Public Inquiry >>
Promoting Human Rights in IrelandHuman Rights in Ireland >>
Friedrich Merz is the Most Incompetent Chancellor Germany Has Ever Seen Mon Jul 14, 2025 19:00 | Eugyppius
Friedrich Merz's incompetence has just visited upon Germany a political farce the likes of which Eugyppius has never seen before, and which the mainstream media are not going to tell you the full truth about.
The post Friedrich Merz is the Most Incompetent Chancellor Germany Has Ever Seen appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.
Tim Davie ?Must Go? After Damning BBC Gaza Report Mon Jul 14, 2025 17:00 | Will Jones
BBC Director General Tim Davie is facing calls to resign after a damning review found the corporation's controversial Gaza documentary breached editorial guidelines on accuracy.
The post Tim Davie “Must Go” After Damning BBC Gaza Report appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.
What?s the Truth About POTS? Mon Jul 14, 2025 15:00 | Jane Walkington
With walking sticks on the rise among teenage girls diagnosed with POTS, many observers are dismissing it as the latest social contagion among unhappy young people. Jane Walkington disagrees.
The post What’s the Truth About POTS? appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.
Welcome to the Land of the Free? Until You Express an Opinion Mon Jul 14, 2025 13:00 | Mike Fairclough
Read the introduction to Cancel THIS, a new book by Mike Fairclough, the courageous headteacher who lost his job after he refused to force schoolchildren to wear masks during the pandemic.
The post Welcome to the Land of the Free… Until You Express an Opinion appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.
?Woke? Netflix Bosses Axe Iconic Scene from Pride and Prejudice Remake to ?Avoid Objectifying Men? Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:14 | Will Jones
Netflix?bosses have axed the iconic moment from?Pride and Prejudice when Mr Darcy ? played by Colin Firth ? emerges from a lake in a new 'woke' move to avoid "objectifying men".
The post ‘Woke’ Netflix Bosses Axe Iconic Scene from Pride and Prejudice Remake to “Avoid Objectifying Men” appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.
Lockdown Skeptics >>
View Comments Titles Only
save preference
Comments (3 of 3)
Jump To Comment: 1 2 3To give a simple example (from what you said)
A is immoral (that given as true) is INSUFFICIENT all by itself to derive B is obligated to do something about A (assuming that B personally isn't doing A, etc.)
"A is immoral" is a statement.about fact, an "is" statement. "B should do something about that" is a "ought" sort of statement.
You need an "axiom" here, relating at "is" to the "ought". For example, you COULD have something like "If X is wrong, then even if personally innocent of X, ought to do something about it." Now I'm not going to argue for or against particular axioms of that sort, just going to point out that the moral philosophers of this world aren't in agreement. Lots of "schools" out there.
But you aren't going to get anywhere with pure materialism. All "is" statements". Even Marxist moral philosophy is going to need some "oughts". If this isn't making any sense to you, I suggest going back to Ethics 101. The necessary 'axiom" relating "is" to "ought" is NOT going to be a materialist statement.
.
Mike: But you aren't going to get anywhere with pure materialism. All "is" statements". Even Marxist moral philosophy is going to need some "oughts".
Paddy: It is not going to need “an ought” because the conditions for the elimination of a fact that is morally wrong already exist and are developed within capitalism as a social system. This means that objective conditions exist for the replacement of capitalism with communism. In a sense this is a socio-ontological matter.
Morality is just a form of condemnation –that capitalism is wrong. Once it's moral nature is established then the moral fact can be eliminated. The problem is a subjective one: the failure of the working class to develop this moral consciousness –class consciousness. The internal materialist or objective conditions already exist.
But really there may be no help for you but biting the bullet and taking a course of the Ethics 101 sort.
You think you can get from "X is bad" to a REASON why you should do anything about X just from the "X is bad"
WHY? WHY should something being bad be a REASON for you to do anything? Suppose instead we had a statement "X is blue". Does that give you a reason to do anything? Both are stating a factual condition. Neither sasy anything about your actions.
Now suppose you have a statement "If X is Z, you should eliminate X" Do you notice something about that statement, that it has BOTH and "is" and an ought"? That means if you have these statements:
1) If something is bad, you should work to eliminate it.
2) Capitalism is bad.
Conclusion: You should work to eliminate capitalism.
But while statement "2" above is a statement in the realm of factual statements, statement "1" was not. It states a relationship within the moral realm of discourse. It is NOT a "material" statement.
Could I make a suggestion. The left tradition did not come into existence with Marx, it pre-existed. And among the precursors were some who some in ethics. So why don't you look up "utilitarianism. Like I said elsewhere, I suspect you could base morality for Marxists with most schools. But historically, there was a relationship between the utilitarianism and the pre Marx left.