What are the reasons we are falling behind on Nice?

Thursday October 17, 2002 21:30

by Not to reason why

Will the left even bother to analyse this?

Of course not, because LAN excluded, they fought lousy half hearted campaigns. Most posters were poor, leaflets said nothing about the real issues.

Envirnmental issues, Nuclear power, CAP or food mountains was never even discussed. Older people were never told what the EU intends to do with pension privatisation in the very near future. The EU has cast its greedy eyes on ‘solving’ what they call “the pensions time Bomb” Younger people were not enlightened about the connection between ‘intellectual’ property and the banning of Napster and music file sharing, of course the ‘scientific socialists’ of the SWP don’t have time to listen to music and illegal music at that! Disgraceful carry on all together, even anarchic. Most Groups totally ignored the ‘Jobs’ issue, even though opinion polls were clearly showing that this hoary old issue has resurfaced once more with the collapse of the celtic tiger. Ff have posters almost everywhere with jobs plastered on them.

Among the most loony half baked stunts was the Irish Anti War movement going on a weekend trip to Shannon in order to get 1 minute of tv publicity, when they could have got loads of press coverage through their (unpublicised) anti Nice position, if they had bothered to do a bit of half decent press work. The biggest failing was not coming up with an effective way to expose the Yes propaganda emanating from RTE, THE tabloids and the ref con, and I don’t mean the once off picket, which was just ignored.

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You're very clear seeing...

by Why no reason

Fri Oct 18, 2002 00:04

And wise and intelligent.
You know exactly what needs to be done.
I wonder you're not running the country.
If you could stop wanking in front of your computer that is....

the roy Keane 'legbreaker' school of political debate

by ignorance is bliss

Fri Oct 18, 2002 01:43

While I do not agree with all the points made by the original writer. The 2nd writer 'Why no reason' actually addressed none of them! He sounds a bit like the yes side in Nice: raise irrevelant points and try to confuse the public, on the other hand it could very well be a trotskyist 'get the man not the ball' tactic

Because the points are rubbish

by Justin Moran - Sinn Fein

Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:24

maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

The points are crap. I reckon this might have had something to do with the first respondents statement. The No side has been much better this time round. So has the Yes side unfortunately. As for being behind, it never ceases to amaze me the faith 'revolutionaries' put in opinion polls. They got it wrong last time as well. In fact at this stage last time the No vote was 17 points behind. Now we're 13 points behind. Hey look, we've gained four points. :)

The Left has fought a good campaign. It might not be enough but our opponenets have every advantage except in on the ground work.

You say LAN fought the best campaign. I disagree, though I think they did tremendously well, but really, how fucking far do you think the No campaign would have got without the Greens? Without us? Without Joe Higgins bringing the Alliance Against Nice together? Perhaps one of the other reasons the post wasn't answered by the first respondent was that this is some gobshite trolling because the idea that anyone could be so devoid of political reality and yet capable of posting is somewhat unnerving.

I tend to agree with Justin

by Andrew

Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:38

I'm not sure quite what the motives are behind these posts which seem to crop up on a daily basis. While I think the LAN material was the best in terms of the arguments made its rather obvious that a huge amount of work was put in by the Green Party and Sinn Fein.

I do think AAN was a bit of a damp squib in terms of on the ground work but it did manage to generate some press coverage (indeed I put a couple of media enqueries on touch with AAN (cause they wanted someone 'famous')).

AAN

Fri Oct 18, 2002 12:53

HAH! Some-one famous :)

Anyway, I think the AAN was a positive development in terms of media representation. I think it also played a small but crucial part in bringing Article 133 out in the open, though in my opinion the lion's share of the credit for that goes to Eamonn Crudden, Barry Finnegan at all at the Article 133 Committee who did a ridiculous amount of work on it.

Still, AAN got some media coverage and several tens of thousands of leaflets out. I don't think a broad left united campaign was ever, despite what some of the Alliance might have wanted, on the cards. And, as some-one pointed out in a previous thread on Nice, just getting a variety of groups, many of which may have low opinions of some of their erstwhile allies, together without a feud/split/blazing row is a positive thing over all, especially considering the pittance it was run on. If memory serves most groups and TDs put in 200 Euros and a few of the smaller ones 100 Euros. I doubt there was two and a half grand all told.

In the style of Monthy Python

Fri Oct 18, 2002 13:07

'two and a half grand', 'two and a half grand', I wish we had 'two and a half grand'. We had to lick tarmac off road etc...

by IMC Dalek

Fri Oct 18, 2002 16:02

I blame william Finnerty

no wonder we lost

by another loser

Mon Oct 21, 2002 21:28

Seeing the way IMC Dalek and others above answered the question:

Its small wonder we only convinced 5000 out of around 450,000 new voters!

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