How to complain about O'Connell St Trees

by suggestingq - guerilla gardeners Wed Nov 06, 2002 16:25 thank-you-activist at europe dot com

next Saturday at 13h00.
meeting at the site of the spike.
Bring a plant / tree / flower in a pot.
Leave it there.

by Mags Wed Nov 06, 2002 16:35

Last year they tried to ban all protests from O Connell Street. After a couple of weeks of objections, motions on the council, etc. the proposal was dropped.
Let's deluge this woman, and also get on to councillors, etc.
If they think no one cares they wil go ahead.

by Raymond McInerney Wed Nov 06, 2002 16:37 raymond.mcinerney at ul dot ie

Have you got much info. on the O'Connell St. trees so that people can (knowledgeably) contact Anne Graham about their concerns.

Cheers

Ray

by Mags Wed Nov 06, 2002 16:44

Here is a short e-mail I sent her.

Dear Ms Graham
I have been informed that you are the correct person to contact in Dublin City Council in relation to the proposal to remove the trees on O Connell street.

I wish to express my strong oposition to such a move. It is a disgrace that the trees should be removed to facilitate work on 'the spike', or indeed for any other reason. These trees have been present for 100 years and provide a small bit of nature in the centre of the city, as well as providing shelter for wildlife, etc. Already some have been removed by stealth, leaving gaping spaces in the central traffic island.

Maybe Dublin City Council feels a tarmac and concrete 'boulevard' is appropriate for city dwellers, I do not.

Yours sincerely.

by LD Wed Nov 06, 2002 17:20

Some info in todays Irish Times!

by Mags Wed Nov 06, 2002 17:26

I'm not normally a tree hugger, but this has me annoyed. I was wondering if anyone out there has information comparing Dublin with other European cities in terms of trees. Apart from the squares and parks there are very few trees in the city centre. The more info the better (someone out there must know). The more fronts to fight them on the better.

Maybe the issue could be used as a feature article on the main page of indymedia, just a suggestion...

by Mags Wed Nov 06, 2002 17:36

I'm not normally a tree hugger, but this has me annoyed. I was wondering if anyone out there has information comparing Dublin with other European cities in terms of trees. Apart from the squares and parks there are very few trees in the city centre. The more info the better (someone out there must know). The more fronts to fight them on the better.

Maybe the issue could be used as a feature article on the main page of indymedia, just a suggestion...

by Raymond McInenrey Wed Nov 06, 2002 17:52

Off to the library now to read the paper.

by iosaf Wed Nov 06, 2002 18:27

-..."Europe of the Regions".
125 European regions.
Dublin is comparable to many other European cities I´ll have the tree density in a few days.
Ireland is the least forested country in the European Union.
Ireland is home to several European regions.

http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/JofA/abstracts/joamay00.html#URBAN
(no mention of Ireland)

aha!!!!!!!!!!!!
look at this resolution on "heritage trees"
http://www.ci.dublin.ca.us/html/heritagetreeordinance.html
lots about Dublin and heritage.
I loved those trees when I lived in Dublin.
I used to hug lots of trees.
I want the youngsters of Dublin to hug those trees for me. Will you all do that? Make a poor Dubliner off in foreign parts happy?
Save those trees.

by Tree Wed Nov 06, 2002 18:49

Thank you all for picking up on this. Let's Save OUR Trees!!!!!!

by Raymond McInerney Wed Nov 06, 2002 19:56 raymond.mcinerney at ul dot ie

Introduction
The limited overview and coordination of research on urban forests and urban trees in Europe, particularly at the international level, was a major incentive for establishing COST Action E12 'Urban Forests and Trees' in 1997. COST stands for 'European Co-operation in the field of Science and Technology'.

Ireland signed up on 18/09/1997

http://www.fsl.dk/cost_e12/wg1/index.html

Addresses of experts involved
Including a Kevin D. Collins from Dublin
http://www.fsl.dk/cost_e12/wg1/wg1-address.html

by getting really into the TREES Wed Nov 06, 2002 22:33

http://ireland.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=16129

now many of us beginning to see the importance of these Trees. They are more than just English plane trees, they are our heritage, and should be protected in line with the May bank holiday weekend resolution; http://www.ci.dublin.ca.us/html/heritagetreeordinance.html

These trees are also offering us all an opportunity to get realy serious about Dublin Corporation too and their silly spikes.

by Christian Hayden Thu Nov 07, 2002 01:31 info at fifteendegrees dot com

In Chapelizod on the same day as the Green parties protest a apprx 6/8 threes where cut down adjoing a new buidling development. I think they where elm perhaps 80 feet in height. Its a sad day.

by Raymond McInerney Thu Nov 07, 2002 01:47

I believe that they can take care of their own trees.

Their putting us to shame.

better than the real thing

by Mags Thu Nov 07, 2002 13:38

Just had a look this morning coming up O Connell Street. They have removed most of them by stealth already.The only place where there are a significant number is from the Parnell Monument down to the Savoy. From the Savoy to the Larkin statue there are none. Then a few remaining opposite Easons. After that another gap from the Middle Abbey street junction, and then two or three still in place near O Connell Bridge. Part of the hoarding on the Luas works here was open and the botton of the trees did not look at all good, bark missing and such.

Next they'll want to remove those outdated old statues, sure wouldn't a nice shiny spike be better - a meaningles monument for a meaningless society!

by iosaf loves trees - lunatic fringe Thu Nov 07, 2002 15:33

Now we have to be careful of this spike thing.
Its very tall and will alter the electro-magenetic field on O´Connell street, this effect working in tandem with increased ambient radiation from the Luas will lead to many macro-ecological-psi effects.
Yes folks we´ll be in anamoly territory.
and so will all the little birds.
I´m trying to warn ye´s!

by seeker Thu Nov 07, 2002 16:19

Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky,
We fell them down and turn them into paper,
That we may record our emptiness.
- Kahlil Gibran

by Mags Thu Nov 07, 2002 17:30

But seriously, I recall that yer man Michael O Nuallain took a case against the corpo, based on them not having done an environmental impact survey thing on the spike. He lost, as apparently the councils are not subject to the same laws as mere mortals.
I don't think it will create Bermuda triangle effects, but could be unforeseen impacts when it is up. They might move it then. And we will be without trees or spike.
The timepiece in the mud comes to mind...

by Mags Thu Nov 07, 2002 17:31

But seriously, I recall that yer man Michael O Nuallain took a case against the corpo, based on them not having done an environmental impact survey thing on the spike. He lost, as apparently the councils are not subject to the same laws as mere mortals.
I don't think it will create Bermuda triangle effects, but could be unforeseen impacts when it is up. They might move it then. And we will be without trees or spike.
The timepiece in the mud comes to mind...

by iosaf - lunatic fringe Thu Nov 07, 2002 20:08 ipsiphi23 at email dot com

There may be something in it, and in the spirit of discordian forteanism I´ll do my best to research the possible effects of the spike on the psychic world which is Dublin.
We in the discordian fortean research fifth loved up international of crusty hippies know instinctively that trees are better than metalic spikes anyday.

by iosaf - discordian fortean lunatic fringe slightly creepy psi activists Sat Nov 09, 2002 17:06 ispiphi23 at email dot com

to save the trees.
we shall next see if our distance mind influence can work to bring back socialism to the Irish Labour party.