Public Forum - The future after social partnership

by Anti-Partnership Sun Jan 22, 2006 14:00

The title of the meeting is well chosen. It can be read to say what's the future after the upcoming deal? Maybe coalition government for the Labour Party! It doubt very much that anyone in the Labour party would support a fighting campaigning and militant union movement. That's what's needed. Instead Labour call for immigration control and more deals with bosses. I also have to laugh at that councillor talking. Labour in the councils have voted for bin taxes and have gone 'missing' when vital votes come up. Paul Dillon supports social partnership. Maybe partnership but a bit nicer maybe?! Dillon certainly supported the Nice Treaty and the European Union when he was in UCD. Well guys if you support the EU you gotta support it's policies such as outsourcing of labour. Mick O'Reilly is only fooling himself thinking that Labour are any alternative. Mick staying in that party only discredits him.

by Chris Bond - Labour youth. Sun Jan 22, 2006 20:17

Considering this was a meeting organised by Labour youth who recently adopted an anti partnership stance. I wasnt at the meeting but from what i heard dillo spoke emphatically against partnership.i think your rant is irrelevant

by Anti-Partnership Sun Jan 22, 2006 22:25

Paul Dillon does support the EU. I was in UCD at time of second Nice Treaty vote and he was absent from any of the campaigns against it in the college. He voted for it and supported it. The Nice Treaty's clauses are all about 'deregulating' the labour market and making exploitation of workers easier. He also supported EU expansion into the east as a progressive step for the people of those countries. It would be interesting to here what LY outline as their alternative to partnership rather than just saying they're against it. Maybe Chris could say.

by pat c Sun Jan 22, 2006 22:36

i reckon this is the same spuppy (hint: hes one of a pair) who used to constantly misrepresent paul dillon on indy when paul was president of ucdsu. its a pity really that the sp dont keep these people on a tighter lease. that ridiclious rant above just exposes anti partnership as an embittered poser.

by Anti-Partnership Sun Jan 22, 2006 23:22

Pat c is incorrect about my identity. I do thinbk my post was making political points so maybe pat shouldnt attempt insinuations and innuendo about people. Main anti-Nice campaign in UcD at time was run by Anarchist group AAN. Idd like to hear what is LY alternaitve to partnership.

by guydebordisdead Sun Jan 22, 2006 23:28

SP troll trying to pretend he may just be an anarchist, if an anarchist had a problem with Paul Dillon or Labour Youth I'm sure they would have just asked them about it at last nights mayday legal support benefit.

by Mark P - Socialist Party (personal cap) Mon Jan 23, 2006 03:44

I have no idea who "anti-partnership" is and his/her personalised comments about some Labour Youth member aren't a useful way to start a discussion about the Labour Party or social partnership. Paul Dillon, whoever the hell he is, isn't the issue and what his views were or are on the Nice Treaty is completely irrelevant.

That said I don't think that the responses are very helpful either. Pat, if the Socialist Party took your advice and started telling its members what they could and couldn't do in their spare time that would be downright wierd. Guydebordisdead, in my view it's not a compliment to anarchists to imply that they don't "have a problem" with Labour Youth, LY after all being the junior wing of Pat Rabbitte's liberal electoral machine.

Anyway on the more serious points raised, it's interesting that Labour Youth have organised a meeting about the end of partnership. If they are serious about opposing partnership no doubt they will have to be ruthlessly critical of their own party. Like it or not the LP is the strongest proponent of partnership deals and of a quiescent trade union movement. If we are going to end partnership, we will only do so in the face of opposition from Rabbitte's mob. How Labour Youth members will square the circle between verbally opposing partnership while canvassing for an alternative government led by Fine Gael and equally wedded to partnership will be interesting to see.

by pat c Mon Jan 23, 2006 13:13

"Pat, if the Socialist Party took your advice and started telling its members what they could and couldn't do in their spare time that would be downright wierd. "

Mark i respect you and your non sectarian style of debating but the SP is a leninist party and does, through democratic centralism, often tell their members what to say.

"Guydebordisdead, in my view it's not a compliment to anarchists to imply that they don't "have a problem" with Labour Youth, LY after all being the junior wing of Pat Rabbitte's liberal electoral machine."

Labour Youth have proved through their involvement in anti racist and anti deportation actions where their allegiances lie.

I would contrast the sectarianism towards LY shown by some SYers to the attitude that Joe Higgins portrays. At the demo at Mountjoy Jail last week Joe Higgins and Joe Costello both spoke. Joe Higgins did not attack either the LP or Joe Costello, to do so in the context would have been ultra left. Joe Higgins knows how to work with other people.

Mark you should remember that opnce upon a time , Militant were in Labour Youth. They also opposedthe reactionary policies of the main labour party, but they still went out and canvassed for pro-coalition TDS & candidates.

by pat c Mon Jan 23, 2006 13:20

"Pat c is incorrect about my identity. I do thinbk my post was making political points so maybe pat shouldnt attempt insinuations and innuendo about people. "

you werte making the innuendos. on the basis of no evidence you were suggesting that paul was pro- partnership. you also suggested LY were racist. LY have always been involved in anti racist actions.

"Main anti-Nice campaign in UcD at time was run by Anarchist group AAN."

(perhaps you mean LAN?) yes and they tied in with some of the work done by Libertarians against Nice (i was secretary). whats your point?

i dont believe that you are an anarchist. this is the same bitter bile that paul dillon has faced so often on indy.

by Cannonball Run Wed Jan 25, 2006 04:12

Can anyone give a report from this meeting?