Ireland's draconian abortion laws put under the spotlight at human rights court

by Mike Novack Sat Dec 12, 2009 21:05

True, the fetus will die if disconnected. But does that NECESSARILY mean that to whom connected shouldn't have the right to say "dsconnect anyay".

Let's start with a far-fetched example. Somebody wakes up to find that another person has been connected to them. It is medical reality that the other person cannot be disconnected (say attached to somebody else) and that this attachment must persist for nine months at great inconvenience and some medical risk (small chance fatal, moderate chance of permanent slight damage). Yes we would call somebody praiseworthy who said "leave them attached" but would we blame somebody who said "free me now", and more to the point of this example, would we make freeingn them illegal "because that would kill the attached one".

Yes, that is NOT quite the situation of pregnancy but would you care to try to explain exactly how not? Because in THAT difference (and not "because it will kill the attached one") lies you real reason for wanting abortion to be illegal.

by ProChoice Sat Dec 12, 2009 02:16

They only care about life until it is born. After that they couldn't give a shite whether you have to deal with a pile of crap and poverty for the rest of your unhappy life. You see, it's not pro QUALITY of life.

Meanwhile on this overpopulated planet of ours, much of what passes for life that's already here is just cheap labour, cannon fodder and dies horribly for want of cheap medicines and food without a murmur from "pro lifers"

bunch of hypocrites.

Anyone who really cared about the quality of life would be advocating research into more effective contraception methods and incentivisation programmes and voluntary sterilisation programmes whilst trying to make the lives of those already here at least more bearable with generic medecines and food self sufficiency programmes and campaigns against corporate exploitation and pointless wars for money that displace millions.

Not a squawk out of pro lifers except to picket abortion clinics and harangue women who already have to deal with making a difficult choice about their own body which should concern nobody but themselves

by bob Fri Dec 11, 2009 16:31

you can choose but the unborn baby can not!
the taking of a life is murder but i understand your view.
easy abortion opens the door to more and more needless terminations of unwanted babies.
many women have regrets after taking the easy option.
England is not that far away, we have our national law, which is what the huge majority want.
all the best for now,
Robbie~

by lulu Fri Dec 11, 2009 16:26

Catholics for Choice campaigns for reproductive rights, including access to abortion.

by Realist Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:14

The pro-life movement believe that abortion is murder.
They believe that if a woman or a young girl is raped, if the foetus is aborted, that a murder has taken place.
They believe that if a woman with six children decides she cannot and will not have another baby and has an abortion, that she is a murderer.
They believe that if a teenage girl in secondary school or a young woman in college has sex with a boyfriend, finds herself carrying an unwanted pregnancy and has an abortion with the help and assistance of her parents, relations and friends etc that she and her accomplices are guilty of murder.
They believe that the doctors and nurses and other staff who run abortion clinics are as guilty of murder as the Nazis who ran the concentration and extermination camps.
If these fanatics have their way, thousands of women would be be given life sentences in prison for murder or attempted murder because they had abortions or sought to have abortions along with thousands of parents, lovers, boyfriends, partners, husbands and relations and friends who helped them seek abortions.
Presumeably the majority of Garda time and the majority of court business would be taken up with prosecuting thousands of murder cases every year and vast fortified super prisons would be constructed to house thousands of these convicted murderers.
Luckily we no longer have the death penalty on our statute books or else thousands of women would be executed every year for killing their unborn babies.
This might appear hysterical but when the arguments of the pro-life movement were taken to their logical conclusion this the nightmare where would end up.

The pro-life movement is not a benign group of concerned Catholics who have moral objections to abortion.
They are nothing less than totalitarian fanatics who would drag Ireland back to the dark ages if they could get away with it.