Democracy

by €=$ - pax americana? Sat Apr 12, 2003 14:45

Max Dempsey - UCD ProLibSoc
is an anagram for

scum sex made drippy cool B?

you are a reconstructing Fascist.
you're not a reconstructed Fascist yet.
wait till you've graduated and spent at least five years absorbing more TV.
then you'll be truly vile.
mr scum sexmade drippy cool B.

by fact straightener Sat Apr 12, 2003 16:18

Get your facts straight you dopey dork.

The USA has nothing to do with "democracy" ... it is a PLUTOCRACY .... if you don't understand what that means then look it up in your dictionary (if you possess such a thing) ......

http://www.commondreams.org/views/031400-104.htm

by fact straightener Sat Apr 12, 2003 16:23

Don't just take my word for it, check out what Ramsey Clark saysy (former US Attorney General in the Lyndon B Johnson administration (1966)):

POWER OF PLUTOCRACY: The media [in the US] is owned and controlled by the same handful of powerful economic concentrations that own an control not only the military-industrial complex, but the corporate power of the country, and that elect all the significant elected officials in the United States, with rare exceptions.

What we have is a plutocracy. We talk about a free press, but it is just free for the powerful. And the rest are voiceless, which is a far cry from what we have proclaimed ourselves to be -just like the state of our democracy. We are no more a democracy than the most authoritarian society because votes are controlled by money - absolute and the government by money. But media is quite adroit not only creating the desire of the public, feeding it.

And it's the same with our public education, if you look at it. We have gotten away from education to build character, to build a strong citizen independent and free people, tow we put it in terms of gainful employment or economic success, it is really serving the machine, might say, like a bunch of drones. So I think those things have to be fact in, because it is hard to seal off truth. The truth will come out.
There are not many Americans that haven't had the chance to see and know - to take the issue of Iraq - that children are dying there, that the children are starving there. We don't want to hear it. We don't want to know it. If you put on a programme that just showed what was happening everybody would just turn to [television comedy], I think.

That's because we've conditioned people to where it's a part of the system. So it is a big struggle. doesn't mean that it can't be turn around. I think it can be turn around. But right now, it is certainly in the driver's seat. And it's crushing.

http://www.aliasoft.com/themes/clark.html

by Des Sat Apr 12, 2003 18:29

Saddam Hussein may be gone but the Iraqi people are not “free”, on the contrary after a MILLION deaths over the last decade, they are now the victims of a new form of imperialism and are under military occupation by a foreign power. The perpetrators of the aggression have absolutely no concern for the welfare of the Iraqi population; their interest is in gaining control of the country’s natural resource. The right to decide the system of government and head of state should be the right of the Iraqi people alone and the same applies to Syria, Iran and Venezuela. The U.S. imperialist version of “freedom and democracy” has already been inflicted on many nations, Vietnam is an obvious example. The ruling elite in Washington should keep their “democracy” at home and cease their inference in the internal affairs of sovereign states.
BTW I suggest a name change of your “society”, New Imperialist Society is much more accurate

by UCD Student Sat Apr 12, 2003 18:42

Socialists do defend freedom of speech, unlike capitalists. We defend John Harvey's right to freedom of speech, even though he's making an arse out of himself.

I particulary enjoy the remark about next years SU officers. It shows that John Harvey is bitter. In my opinion the incoming officers are very competent.Do you honestly think that Seamus Ó Maoinaigh, Abey Campbell, Ross Higgins and Aonghus Hourihane are in any way competant at their jobs?

by Democrat Sun Apr 13, 2003 15:27

John I think you should learn more about Socialism before you further more make a gobshite of yourself.

Socialists do believe in freedom of speech, even for gobshites like yourself.

Most Socialists are in fact working class. What evidence do you have that they are not?

Most socialist do not support Castro, socialists believe that castro should be overthrown and workers democracy be established in Cuba.

It quite stupid when you think of it to say that all socialists are stalinists, going by that logic we can say Hitler's Germany was capitalist therefore all capitalists are fascists!

Remember John, of the 200 or so capitalist countries in the world only about 30-40 have regular and reasonably free elections with freedom of speech etc. Another thing you shopuld bear in mind is the recent events in Venezuala. In Venezuala when a popularly elected president made moves to nationalise the oils resources in the country the capitalists in Venezuala in conjunction with the CIA staged a coup. Do you really think that capitalism is deomcratic?

John get over it, you lost the election fair and square. That's Democracy! students don't think you'd be any good as a SU officer.

by Albo Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:40

"...remove Chavez who has failed the people of Venezuela"

Didn't they try that before? You speak of American democracy, when America not only hasn't got a democratically elected president, but supports coups of democratically elected leaders like Chavez and supports or deals with dictators around the world.

I think the words "Democracy" or "Freedom" is now becoming a tool of evil, much like "Christianity" in the middle ages, or "The Revolution" or "Communism" by Stalin, or "Nationalism" by Hitler.

The point is Bush can do anything he wants as long as he says he is doing it in the name of Freedom and Liberty. Much like the burning of so-called witches was done in the name of Christ (though Christ would have hardly approved).

Don't be taken in by Bush's claims... To learn the truth, you must not only be able to question authority, but to question yourself and your own beliefs.

by Albo Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:41

I meant to say, "...coups AGAINST democratically..." obviously.

by Maubere Wed Apr 16, 2003 20:33

How long before Max Dempsey is given an opinion column in the Sunday Indo?????