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category national | miscellaneous | news report author Friday April 25, 2003 19:40author by Eoin Dubskyauthor email info at refuelingpeace dot org Report this post to the editors

"Secret Service" received an 85% funding increase from the government in this year's budget. What exactly is it? "It is secret" said Mary Hanafin in Dail Eireann.

Today I received a reply to a question which John Gormley kindly asked the Minister for Finance on the "Secret Service" spending hike. The question and answer are below, but I feel none the wiser still.

First though here's a little bit of dialogue from Dail Eireann between Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Ms Hanafin:

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: ...I refer to increases in some areas of expenditure, one of which raises questions. Why was the Secret Service Vote only half spent last year and yet the new figure represents an increase of 85% on that of last year? That has happened regularly in the past ten years.

Ms Hanafin: It is secret.

Wondering! :-)
Here's the John Gormley question (answer from the gov is just as helpful as before..)

165. Mr. Gormley asked the Minister for Finance if the budget for the
Irish


Secret Service for 2003 has increased since last year; if so, the
explanation


for any such increase; and if he will make a statement on the matter.
[10173/03]

Minister for Finance (Mr. McCreevy): The Estimate for the Secret
Service as published in the Revised Estimates for Public Services for
2002 was ?900,000 and the Estimate for 2003 is ?831,000. It is not
practice to divulge information on explanations relating to expenditure
on this Vote.

Related Link: http://www.gov.ie/debates-02/20Nov/Sect4.htm
author by Josefpublication date Fri Apr 25, 2003 20:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Got something to hide?

author by a cluepublication date Fri Apr 25, 2003 20:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

let's make posters and put them everywhere in dublin with this transcript quote, with whatever data we have - do it just before RTS

author by noonepublication date Fri Apr 25, 2003 21:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

^^^^ Why would we do this?

author by de selbypublication date Fri Apr 25, 2003 22:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

and were officed in the Phoenix park.
they interrogated me for 48 hours once.
taught me a lot. thank you lads!
you prepared me for the real world.

when the Garda questioning left me alone for a while I recall I tried to get into the "british embassy" box file, there were 8 of them.

but they were another ruse, they were empty.
poor psycho play there.
now that you are called secret service I suppose you are better at that stuff now żno?

author by Caspianpublication date Sat Apr 26, 2003 02:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Does this Hannahif idiot think she is being funny? Why do we put up with this? Demand to know where this money is going! Secret Service! Don't let them get away with this.
Ireland is the Banana Republic of Europe and it is not a joke!

author by Killian Fordepublication date Sat Apr 26, 2003 02:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Eoin, I agree the spending increase re the SS is quite bizarre - what exactly is it;

1) Police - couldn't be as they have their budget that is dept of justice and garda budget
2) Army - again specific budget lines and allocations for this fiscal year.

I have heard variosu theories, namely;
1) Cash payments for garda informers
2) Costs under the witness protection
These two however would be covered already by the Army or Garda

The third theory i heard is that it is used as a sort of unrestricted fund by Dept of Foreign Affairs for overseas stuff. This sounds a bit too 007ish for credibility.

The questions remains who or what is the irish secret service and given that the percieved 'threat' to the state is neligible from republicians, where or what is the million odd euro been spent?

Any ideas - anyone?

author by Hilda Robinsonpublication date Sat Apr 26, 2003 10:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The fact is there has been a massive increase in people getting involved in revolutionary organisations in the past year- largely due to the war, and other political issues etc.

The State will want to keep an eye on this as these activists are a threat to their state. There is no conspiracy theory here. But dont be worried most of what they get on organisations is highly unreliable and usually blatently wrong.

And dont be surprised who will help them out in their tasks of getting information on people. In the UK Trade Union bureaucrats gave info on activists. And even here in Ireland it's been alleged that the UCDSU president has given over info to state agents.

author by Lone Gunmanpublication date Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Who wears a yellow jump suit with pink puffy buttons,a green cocked hat with purple feathers.
ANSWER The uniform of the Irish secret service

author by suggestingpublication date Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The questions remains who or what is the irish secret service and given that the percieved 'threat' to the state is neligible from republicians, where or what is the million odd euro been spent?


perhaps they are buying arms for a new Irish Real Army?

author by BlackPopepublication date Sat Apr 26, 2003 16:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

give me a half a dozen, please - wrapped up, .. eh, with .. chips, no vinegar


Obviously, the extra money is for to provide psychotherapists to scalp-massage all the fucking US/Brit/Israeli spies this traitorous government now hosts on our soil.

author by mission impossiblepublication date Sat Apr 26, 2003 22:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The government is cutting back on health and other services and has no money to waste on weapons and spooks etc.

author by come onpublication date Sun Apr 27, 2003 00:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Every country has a secret service and if you could get information on their activities by simply looking through some dail papers then we really would be a joke.
By their very nature what they do is secret and so it cant be disclosed. Simple really!

author by Curiouspublication date Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Hilda, given Peter Haddens activities up North I presume the SP in the south gets some of this moolah?

I remember Tommy Sheridan (CWI leader at the time) threatening to name names to the cops after Poll Tax riots.

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