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category international | crime and justice | feature author Tuesday December 23, 2003 16:56author by Kev - personal capacityauthor email thekevolution at yahoo dot co dot uk Report this post to the editors

US Media Remains Silent

It appears that Weapons of Mass Destruction ™ are only of interest to the Bush administration if they are in the hands of Arabs, Muslims or "rogue" states. Likewise the big news corporations in the US were ignoring this particular story of genuine weapons capable of mass destruction found in the hands of a white supremacist group in the Bush home state of Texas. This story was originally published on the Newswire on December 8th. Since then, the only big US newpaper to cover the story has been the New York Times.


Three people linked to white supremacist and anti-government groups are in custody. At least one weapon of mass destruction - a sodium cyanide bomb capable of delivering a deadly gas cloud - has been seized in the Texas area.

Last week William Krar, from Tyler in East Texas pleaded guilty to, among other crimes, possession of a chemical weapon - an actual bona fide WMD found within the USA's own borders - yet the US media largely remains silent on the issue.
[note: all information is sourced, except for my opinions]

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CBS 11 (Texan TV news station):
"Three people linked to white supremacist and anti-government groups are in custody. At least one weapon of mass destruction - a sodium cyanide bomb capable of delivering a deadly gas cloud - has been seized in the Tyler area."

"Investigators have seized at least 100 other bombs, bomb components, machine guns, 500,000 rounds of ammunition and chemical agents. But the government also found some chilling personal documents indicating that unknown co-conspirators may still be free to carry out what appeared to be an advanced plot. "
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That's right, while the boys and girls out in Iraq are fighting in the "frontline of terror", and Tommy Franks is busy telling us about plans for the suspension of the Constitution (read Military Rule) in the scenario of an actual WMD attack on US soil [see the final quotes] - a bone fide WMD pops up, and its owner is a white US citizen with a very different agenda to Al-Qaeda.

Note that it was a complete accident that this plot was found out about, a mailing error. The security forces were not investigating Supremacist and/or militia groups connected to this guy - they obviously think a greater threat comes from eh, Iraq or North Korea than their own homegrown rightwing nut-jobs.

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CBS 11:
"Since the attacks of September 11, 2001, counter-terrorism agencies have been consumed by national efforts to ferret out U.S.-based foreign terrorist cells whose members hail from the Middle East. Federal investigators were not looking for white supremacist groups when they stumbled across Krar by accident."
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What's really surpising is that this man was actually known to the police previously but they had obviously felt that he was not 'a potential threat', in the same way say, Saddam's non-existant WMDs were - or even in the same way that anti-war or anti-FTAA protestors still are (or so it seems, why else would there be such surveillence and police violence directed at these people?).

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CBS 11:
"In 1995, the ATF investigated Krar and another man on weapons charges. The other suspect told authorities at the time that he and Krar had been planning to bomb government facilities... on the day of the 9-11 terrorist attacks, Krar raised suspicion at a New Hampshire storage unit he was renting. An employee called the FBI that day and reported that Krar was “wicked anti-American"
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You can read the full CBS 11story here http://tinyurl.com/xxfc (with video link, which wont work on dial-up) & from Democracy Now here http://tinyurl.com/y6n8 (with audio & video)

Now, this story has not been largely covered in the US media. Why I wonder?

I'm not a conspiracy nut but perhaps its to keep alive the cosy consensus that all terrorists are non-white, allah lovin', freedom hatin', mad screamin mullah's bent on destroying liberty everywhere it raises it All-American head. Or perhaps I'm wrong, and finding an actual weapon of mass destruction, with what appear to be plans to use it on American soil is simply not a news-worthy story? I'm no news editor, you tell me...

I've found some more stuff out - no thanks to the major US press. Hell, even Pravda is covering it, but where is the Washington Post, New York Times, LA Times or any of the major networks??? Don't believe me, check Google news here http://tinyurl.com/ybht

The coverage seems limited to papers in the Texas area. But get this:

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Tyler Morning Telegraph:
"You understand, you will probably go to prison for around 10 years," U.S. Magistrate Judge Judith Guthrie told Krar, as he nodded in acknowledgement. "

Link http://tinyurl.com/ybh1
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10 YEARS?!?! What the hell??? Ten years, my god. If this was a Muslim he'd have been tried and found guilty by the press before the trial even took place, and would now be sitting on death row (or possibly even marched straight out of the court and executed - this is Texas afterall). But Mr. White Guy will only get 10 years? Sickening. His accomplice, Judith Bruey by the way, only faces 'up to five years'.

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The Fort Worth Star-Telegram/AP:
"Investigators also found numerous illegal firearms, literature detailing the use of sodium cyanide to make a chemical weapon and literature depicting white supremacist and militant beliefs."

Link http://tinyurl.com/y28h
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Again, I hate to keep harping on (well I don't really) but if you substitute "white supremacist literature" for "Osama bin Laden tapes and statements", this would have sent the national media into a frenzy - even if no bombs had been found. I can see it now - The New York Times: "Bin Laden Terror Plot Uncovered by Heroic FBI in Texas" and NY Post: "Dirty Rag-head Plans Dirty-Bomb." There would be rolling coverage on CNN and Fox and Bush would be hailing it as a "major victory in the war on terror. This incident must remind all freedom loving Americans to remain vigilant, and be on the look out for suspicious minority activity (and by the way, I think we'll curtail a few more civil liberties while were at it)".

Other Links:
WorldNet Daily News http://tinyurl.com/ybh8
Tyler Moring Telegraph (initial arrest report from April this year) http://tinyurl.com/ybhd
Pravda http://tinyurl.com/ybhi

So, worst case scenario, what would have happened if this guy (and however many others may or may not be involved) had succeeded in setting off this, and/or other such bombs, inflicting massive death and injury. Who do you think would immediately get the blame for it? I'm pretty damn sure that unless they [the supremacists] took direct responsibility for it, it would of course be instantly blamed on 'al-Qaeda' and who knows what the effects would be on the Arab and Muslim population of the US. It was bad enough after 9/11, in a case like this I fear it would be infintely worse. And of course, it could take months before any headway is made into finding out who perpetrated the crime (possibly under Military rule if Gen Tommy Franks is right [see the final quotes of the article]), and of course we would find out (or would we?) that it wasn't Muslims afterall, but our very own god fearin', freedom lovin' Al-KKKeda.

This, I think, is a very scary prospect.

What Tommy Franks said:
"If terrorists used a WMD, Franks said “the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we’ve seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy ... It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the US – that causes our population to question our own constitution and to begin to militarise our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. "

While many years ago, Patrick Henry said:
"Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!"

author by Brianpublication date Tue Dec 09, 2003 19:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Why were people prepared to let the UN root around in Iraq 'till Doomsday, and now these are the same people who moan 'cause the US find nothing in less than one year?
The WMD producers were smart people, they hid their programmes. Ask Hans Blix, he'll tell you that!
Give 'em a substantial timeframe to prove it. It's like searching for a piece of straw in a massive stack of needles.
Patrick Henry said: "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!"
So They Hung Him!!!
Please, don't only tell half the story. It cheapens the comparison.

author by pat cpublication date Tue Dec 09, 2003 19:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"Patrick Henry said: "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!""

Perhaps you are thinking of Nathan Hale, who said: "I regret I only have one life to give for my country."

Then the Brits hung him for "spying". Theres a statue of him outside of the CIA HQ in Langley.

author by RP.publication date Sat Dec 13, 2003 06:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

..the article was about domestic terrorism, and hypocrisy surrounding the prosecution of it. Compare this to the racist zeal that underlies the jailing of any brownish looking person North American authorities figure looks shifty.

author by davidpublication date Wed Dec 24, 2003 23:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

the details of this story and the link to this website. I also intend to send a copy of that e-mail to myself tomorrow so that RTE will not be able to claim ignorance of these events if and when they become very relevent leading up to the prosecution of this case. It will be very embarrassing for the state broadcaster if it is revealed that this story was ignored and they knew about it..

author by section31publication date Wed Dec 24, 2003 23:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

RTE embarrassed?
They carried out censorship for decades, and would do so again with no more than a token protest to cover themselves.

author by UMpublication date Thu Dec 25, 2003 00:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

hense no embarrassment... i imagine it should be embarrassing for news corporations to be caught refusing to report the news

author by a3m>>publication date Thu Dec 25, 2003 01:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If its NOT NEWS WORTHY, then: why not, and who says so?

Ah, Tim McVey, Waco, the Posse Commitatus,Sagebrush Rebellion etcetcetc. We already gave them their day in the press and in the concerns gristmill of spin and move on.

We have already laid all the foundation for the current laws which are so distressing to the left. (but you were not right wing militia nuts, so you said nothing)

The reactionary amoral unchristian neo-con jobs and their apologists, including the flag waving uber patriots of shockjock radio don't like the idea of being cut out of the herd again. They want to hide behind god fearing moral christians, middle americans who are charatable, who are not so suspicious of their pro-peace neighbors and friends.

They have these battle lines to maintain, the lie of speaking the majority position, the lie of portraying disgust of amerika as a position totaly owned by leftist and progressives.

Why, they couldn't keep the wedge between peacelovers and patriots.!

The first time I remember a mention of horrid mass destructive weapons..... it was some right wingers in Las Vegas. They had darts for the blowguns. The darts had RICIN (oh my!)

So ricin got the top billing. Right wing played its role, then was forgotten (perhaps taken back into the fold?) as the terrible weapons and the terrible possible scenarios were played for all, nay, even more than they were worth..

Did I mention blowguns? lung powered blowguns? Mass destructive power supposes/insinuates the aerobic capacity of an olympic athlete!!

But ricin got into our psyches. It reappears in Irak. Funny how that happens. But apparently the good ole boys were more sophisticated with its employ. Could it be they had read the underground literature? the printed in the U S of A literature?

Do you get my undertone? Do you get my suspicions that the Gov't and the Press and the Radio don't want to open that hornets nest?

So lets start again "If not, why not?"

author by Lone Gunmanpublication date Sat Dec 27, 2003 13:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It would be hyprocritical if the BATFags or the FBI[fucking bunch of Idiots],did not arrest these right wing nuts.I wonder when they will go off and botherNation of Islam or the TWO HUNDREDother militant islamistic groups that are training,preaching and proably preparing another attack in the USA.Where they are graunteed their rights to do this under freedom of religion and expression.
What have Waco,ruby ridge,posse comatitaus,MoVE the Peoples Temple got in common?
To use a media saying if it bleeds it leads.All of the above somone bled,hence they led.
no one bled in this incident hence it isnt newsworthy.

author by Alway curiouspublication date Sat Dec 27, 2003 15:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Now why would they do a thing like that? Wouldn't have anything to do with the recipe for Ricen that he posted, would it?
'Lone gunman', with each comment you post you only show yourself up. Your fascination with weaponry of one sort or another only shows you to be a danger to society. Get help before you do something stupid in real life (rather than your usual virtual stupidity)

author by Kevpublication date Sat Dec 27, 2003 20:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

According to LG , it is not newsworthy because there was 'no blood' involved. Of course I now realise that he is completely right. Because there was only a 'potential' for an atrocity here, it is justifibly ignored by most of the mainstream US and international press.

Of course, in the case of Iraq, where there was a 'potential' for blood spilling resulting from Saddam's WMDs (or to use todays phraseology, the 'potential that he would acquire them sometime in the future') this was also totally un-newsworthy and was ignored by the press too. Oh, wait. It wasn't.

author by Lone gunmanpublication date Sun Dec 28, 2003 18:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

a fear of weapons is a sign of emotional and sexual insecurity.

Sigmund Freud "an introduction to modern psycology 1952".
Now dear Always curious. Ricin[correct spelling]
i posted that to show you and all the others out there how easy it is to make.i also posted a disclaimer that it was dangerous to make.As well as leaving out two other vital steps to the process.
Point being that anyone with a basic reading ability and a sixth class chemistry education can make it. You dont need to have huge lab setups etc.Does that make everyone who is a chemist a potential killer. [BTW Castor beans are one of the most traded items on the planet]. If you are stupid enough to try and make this stuff or DIY bombs,etc.No great loss if you do kill yourself.
Also I was pointing out that it would be hyprocritical if the US Govt agencies did not move against these White ubermensch nutsos,or if they didnt move against the carpet munching sucide Koran spouters.

author by lone gunmanpublication date Sun Dec 28, 2003 18:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

That Saddam had SEVEN TONS of Ricin after the Gulf war.[weapons inspection reports post GW] One quater microgram of ricin is enough to kill a person. Seven tons is enough to wipe all of us on the planet. So he got rid of all that???And we are to belive him??5 grams caused the tokio subway gas attack.
According to one of the generals of his army it was not a problem of using it,but how to deploy it in battlefield conditions.Sunday telegraph 2 weeks ago]
Realistically for those worried ninnies out there chemical and biological warfare isnt as cracked up as it is made out to be.If it was so effective why then the US Army abondon its chemical weapon programme in the mid seventies?
The Russians developed theirs further ,tested it in numerous countries that they peacefull invaded ,and discoverd it wasnt too hot either.

author by not so lone gunmanpublication date Mon Dec 29, 2003 03:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Iraqi's may have had riacin in 1991, but bear in mind, like all living orgainisms, it has a finite life span. And that life span aint 10+ years.

author by Lone gunmanpublication date Mon Dec 29, 2003 13:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Ricin is an organic substance made from castor beans.it is not a bacteria /germ culture.It can be shock frozen and has an infinite shelf life.In a field grade/improvised /homebrew situation no doubt it wont last 10 plus years.In a lab produced powder....infinite
As can certain germ cultures.
Lets not forget as well the VX nerve gas appx [300 tons appx] That also has a indefinate shelf life,with an evraporation rate of motor oil

author by righteous pragmatistpublication date Tue Dec 30, 2003 20:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If the Bush Administation and the American media were really ignoring this story then how come it is actually reported in American media and how come the nutters who had this weaponary came to the attention of law enforcement officers?
It seems that you got this information from the very people you then accuse of putting a lid on it?
Like a typical left wing crank you convieniently igonore the FACT the Kurdish town of Hallabjah in northern Iraq was attacked with chemical weapons by Saddam and the Saddam was the ONLY world leader apart from Mullah Omar of Afghanistan who applauded the attack on 9/11. That surely gets you suspicious about the Saddam denying he had chemical weaopns and that he had links to Al-Quaida?
It seems the Bush administration are on the ball! They removed the Taliban and Saddam from power and at the same time clamped down on the extremist white racist nutters.
Let's hope they get those Italian anarcho terrorists sending Romano Prodi explosive Christmas presents!

author by Unarmed civilianpublication date Mon Jan 05, 2004 04:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Had a look at that. The case mentioned in the article above is just the tip of the iceberg, and they certainly believe in buying in bulk.
From the details of some of these arrests it looks like they are not only "Armed to the teeth", most of these people are also "nuttier than a fruitcake".

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