VP Debate: Cheney vs Edwards

by redjade Thu Oct 07, 2004 18:11

"But you can't win a war if you don't believe in fighting," he said of his challenger, five times a decorated Vietnam War veteran.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041007/D85IJ4Q00.html

by Nader Voter Thu Oct 07, 2004 16:24

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by redjade Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:24

During the VP debate, Cheney defended himself against charges concerning Haliburton by asking voters to go to http://factcheck.com

whoops! That site fowards to http://georgesoros.com !

Mr Soros is no friend of Dick.

Cheney meant to say http://factcheck.org - a non-partisan website that checks the 'facts' that politicians spew.

but factcheck.org now says:

''Cheney got our domain name wrong -- calling us "FactCheck.com" -- and wrongly implied that we had rebutted allegations Edwards was making about what Cheney had done as chief executive officer of Halliburton.''

double-whoops!

by redjade Wed Oct 06, 2004 21:01

Cheney Said:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/debates/articles/2004/10/05/transcript_of_the_vice_presidential_debate?pg=full
''This was one of the biggest sources of proliferation in the world today in terms of the threat that was represented by that. The suppliers network that provided that, headed by Mr. A.Q. Khan, has been shut down.''

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Cheney helped cover-up Pakistani nuclear proliferation in '89 so US could sell country fighter jets (March 16 2004)
http://www.pakistan-facts.com/article.php/2004031621042158
In 1989, the year Khan first started selling nuclear secrets on the black-market; Richard Barlow, a young intelligence analyst working for the Pentagon prepared a shocking report for Cheney, who was then secretary of defense under the Bush I administration: Pakistan built an atomic bomb and was selling its nuclear equipment to countries the U.S. said was sponsoring terrorism. But Barlow's findings, as reported in a January 2002 story in Mother Jones magazine, were "politically inconvenient."

"A finding that Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, a key ally in the CIA's efforts to support Afghan rebels fighting a pro-Soviet government. It also would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad," Mother Jones reported. Ironically, Pakistan, critics say, was let off the hook last month so the U.S. could use its borders to hunt for al-Qaeda leader and alleged 9-11 mastermind Osama bin Laden. Cheney dismissed Barlow's report because he desperately wanted to sell Pakistan the F-16 fighter planes. Several months later, a Pentagon official was told by Cheney to downplay Pakistan's nuclear capabilities when he testified on the threat before Congress. Barlow complained to his bosses at the Pentagon and was fired.

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Pakistan declines permission to IAEA to question AQ Khan (Oct 10 2004)
http://www.centralchronicle.com/20041003/0310003.htm
''Pakistan has declined to permit International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to question its disgraced top nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan on his statement admitting proliferating nuclear technology but promised to cooperate with the international community's efforts to contain nuclear black market.''

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U.S. supports nuclear pardon of AQ Khan
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/pakistan.nuclear/

The United States has supported Pakistan's presidential pardon of Abdul Qadeer Khan, after the father of the nation's nuclear program admitted he gave nuclear weapons technology to other countries.

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Read more news about AQ Khan
http://aq-khan-news.newslib.com/

by redjade Wed Oct 06, 2004 15:02

On the last day voters could sign up for the Nov. 2 presidential election, Leon County's elections chief said he received up to 1,500 photocopied registration forms and asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to find out what happened to the originals.

"The overwhelming majority of them were for African-Americans, and also the majority of them were Republicans," Elections Supervisor Ion Sancho said Monday. "That was one of the things that made us want to start contacting the registrants."

Most of the questionable registrations came from Florida A&M University and precincts around FAMU. Sancho said his office is trying to get in touch with all the voters to find out whether they registered on originals and copies were sent in by accident, whether they registered on photocopies - or whether it was fraud.

by redjade Wed Oct 06, 2004 14:54

Determined to win the post-debate spin war on Tuesday night, the Bush campaign called on its supporters to flood the news media with quick declarations that Vice President Dick Cheney had come out ahead.

Ken Mehlman, Mr. Bush's campaign manager, delivered the request in an e-mail message to supporters early Tuesday morning.

"Immediately after the debate, visit online polls, chat rooms and discussion boards and make your voice heard," he said in the note, sent to the six million supporters on the campaign's e-mail list. "People's perceptions are shaped as much by their conversations around the water cooler as by the debates themselves."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/politics/campaign/06spin.html

by redjade Wed Oct 06, 2004 13:48

We can debate whether or not John Edwards beat Dick Cheney in the Vice-Presidential debate. What is certain, however, is that as a debater Edwards beat the hell out of John Kerry. And, for that matter, cranky old Cheney did better than his junior partner, George W. Bush.

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I’ve never thought Halliburton to be much of an issue, beyond the Pacifica Radio audience, but I likewise think that Edwards drew blood on that issue tonight. Edwards’ closing statement was also quite artful. He forcefully suggested the sharpening of inequality in the Age of Bush but managed to keep that message tightly framed in an almost naïve optimism about American Opportunity.

by redjade Wed Oct 06, 2004 13:37

BUSH: Senator Kerry last night said that America has to pass some sort of global test --

AUDIENCE: Booo!

BUSH: -- before we can use American troops to defend ourselves. He wants our national security decisions subject to the approval of a foreign government.

AUDIENCE: Booo!

BUSH: Listen, I'll continue to work with our allies and the international community -- but I will never submit America's national security to an international test. [Applause.] The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. [Applause.]

by redjade Wed Oct 06, 2004 13:31

There are many reasons for this collapse of the antiwar movement, but I’ll focus on two.

First, the drive to get Kerry elected.

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A second reason is that, with regard to protest actions, we have dumbed down our message to the ultimate demand “Bring the troops home now!”

by redjade Wed Oct 06, 2004 13:25

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Monday that he hasn't seen "any strong, hard evidence" to link Saddam Hussein and the al-Qaeda terrorists who staged the Sept. 11 attacks, a more direct statement than he has made on the subject before.

Rumsfeld's comments came as a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll found that 42% of those surveyed thought the former Iraqi leader was involved in the attacks on New York City and Washington. In response to another question, 32% said they thought Saddam had personally planned them.

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In the survey, 50% called the Iraqi invasion part of the war on terrorism; 47% said it was an entirely separate military action. The poll of 1,016 adults, taken Friday through Sunday, has a margin of error of +/{ndash}3 percentage points.

by redjade Wed Oct 06, 2004 13:21

''This site is a clearinghouse for discussion of whether President Bush uses an earpiece through which he's fed lines and cues by offstage advisers. His speech rhythms suggest this, as do some of his word choices and interjections, and his constantly shifting eye movements while speaking.....''

http://www.IsBushWired.com/