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The Socialist Party and a broad left.

category national | miscellaneous | opinion/analysis author Friday November 04, 2005 17:15author by Ex-Militant Report this post to the editors

In a significant shift, the Socialist Party of England and Wales has indicated that it will take part in or initiate a conference to bring together left and trade union activists to discuss the creation of a new broadly based workers party. Can we expect a response in their Irish sister party?.

This is how the English SP newspaper put it:

" If Bob Crow [ posters note: Crow is the left wing leader of the RMT, rail workers union, who has spoken of the need for such a new party ] is unable or frustrated in calling such a conference, then the Socialist Party will explore - through a campaign with trade unionists, environmentalists, young people, community activists and leaders - the idea of calling a conference on the issue of a new mass party. The campaign would involve testing out the support for a new party, the programme, structures and organisation that would be necessary with, possibly, a consultative conference next spring. "

Though many on the left might suspect another front in the offing, this is clearly not what is meant here. The idea being put forward is of a formation that would be broad, loosely structured and inclusive. Although the SP will claim that this has always been their policy, since the retrechment of the party in the late nineties they have only paid lip-service to the idea of a broad party. This is the first sign that the party is willing to take a positive initiative. The fact that Peter Taafe, who is the leading ideologist of the party and its international structure, the CWI, is actively pushing this new line is extremely significant.

This could have a profound effect on left politics in Ireland, where the SP has maintained a stand-offish attitude to the rest of the left, even those with whom it had relatively friendly relations. If the Irish affiliate of the CWI adopts a similar position to their English comrades, it could galvanise the left in this country. Up until now the Irish SP has stuck to the position that they are in favour of a new workers party but that the conditions do not yet exist for its formation and that nothing can or should be done to advance that idea. There are no signs that the change of strategy in England has had an impact here but it is early days yet. As a former member, I have a lot of time for the SP but, like many on the left, I am repelled by the isolationist and dogmatic turn of recent years. Could there be a ray of light on the horizon? Lets hope that this new 'open turn' leads to a new direction in the Irish party because not only is the time right for a broad party, to quote Peter Taffe, its "rotten ripe".

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
 1   "a significant shift"     indie-soc    Fri Nov 04, 2005 17:18 
 2   Yes and No     Ex-Militant    Fri Nov 04, 2005 17:33 
 3   in answer to your question....     Still Militant    Fri Nov 04, 2005 17:36 
 4   Which question?     Ex-Militant    Fri Nov 04, 2005 17:50 
 5   Yes lets discuss     Ex    Fri Nov 04, 2005 17:52 
 6   Background     millie    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:00 
 7   Face the past/ prepare for the future     Analyst    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:03 
 8   .     ex    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:06 
 9   Thats a different debate     Ex-Militant    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:14 
 10   A different debate?     ex    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:20 
 11   To ex     Observer    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:25 
 12   Back to basics     Ex-Militant    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:37 
 13   In Answer to question....     SP Member    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:39 
 14   Millie response     Ex-whatever    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:41 
 15   In relation to Britain....     SP Member    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:43 
 16   SP Member     Annoyed    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:45 
 17   A little bird     Jupiter    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:48 
 18   No need to be cruel     Ex-whatever    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:50 
 19   Oops..     SP Member    Fri Nov 04, 2005 18:54 
 20   Serious debate     Ex-Militant    Fri Nov 04, 2005 19:00 
 21   To Ex Millie     Curious    Fri Nov 04, 2005 19:12 
 22   Reply to Curious     Ex-Militant    Fri Nov 04, 2005 19:22 
 23   ExM     Curious    Fri Nov 04, 2005 19:47 
 24   Reply to ex- militant     SP Member    Fri Nov 04, 2005 19:59 
 25   curious     another sp member    Fri Nov 04, 2005 21:59 
 26   SP in QUB     C Ó Brolcháin    Fri Nov 04, 2005 22:18 
 27   No response     Proletcult    Sat Nov 05, 2005 13:02 
 28   Didnt Know?     Curious    Sat Nov 05, 2005 14:33 
 29   This thread     Mark P    Sat Nov 05, 2005 14:54 
 30   Disappointing but honest     Ex-Militant    Sat Nov 05, 2005 15:33 
 31   Reply     Mark P    Sat Nov 05, 2005 17:07 
 32   history is..     yvgrvny    Sat Nov 05, 2005 17:32 
 33   Could you expand? (I don't mean literally of course!)     James    Sat Nov 05, 2005 19:56 
 34   Expanding     Mark P    Sat Nov 05, 2005 20:05 
 35   One, two, three broad left initiatives. Nationalising the train sets.     Frances Grennell    Sun Nov 06, 2005 00:28 
 36   Me, DC?     Ex-Militant    Sun Nov 06, 2005 13:09 
 37   Response     Mark P    Sun Nov 06, 2005 14:34 
 38   Not gone away you know     Dermot Connolly    Sun Nov 06, 2005 17:00 
 39   The obvious question?     The obvious questioner    Sun Nov 06, 2005 17:31 
 40   two more?     indie-soc    Sun Nov 06, 2005 18:46 
 41   ah now be serious     The obvious questioner    Sun Nov 06, 2005 19:00 
 42   dermot connolly     Fair City    Sun Nov 06, 2005 20:02 
 43   James (SP) and accuracy     James    Mon Nov 07, 2005 16:32 
 44   SP Gains     Iskra    Mon Nov 07, 2005 16:42 
 45   Give us a break     Whiskra    Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:12 
 46   Whiskra     Iskra    Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:17 
 47   Iskra - stop smoking your pipe     Curious    Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:21 
 48   Indeed you are     Whiskra    Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:22 
 49   Nothing new for the LP to get things wrong     SP Member    Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:23 
 50   Curious     Iskra    Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:25 
 51   SP Member     Iskra    Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:29 
 52   Whiskra     Iskra    Mon Nov 07, 2005 18:47 
 53   Best ignored     The obvious questioner    Mon Nov 07, 2005 20:18 
 54   To the obvious     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:14 
 55   Infamy, infamy, they all have it in for me!     Another LP member    Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:32 
 56   Other LP Member?     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:41 
 57   Doubting Thomas     A LP M    Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:51 
 58   LP Member     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:01 
 59   Maybe I'm dumb or something     Dumbfounded    Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:11 
 60   Dumbfounded     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:19 
 61   discussion     zip    Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:26 
 62   Amen to that     Whiskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:34 
 63   zip     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:35 
 64   Whiskra     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:38 
 65   New Thread     zip    Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:57 
 66   What basis for a transfer pact, Iskra?     seedot    Tue Nov 08, 2005 13:04 
 67   Christ on a bike     Troll watch    Tue Nov 08, 2005 13:06 
 68   Correct     Ex-Militant    Tue Nov 08, 2005 13:23 
 69   Real Trolls     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 13:26 
 70   Debate     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 13:30 
 71   OFF TOPIC     zip    Tue Nov 08, 2005 13:42 
 72   zip     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 13:56 
 73   PS     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 13:57 
 74   Are u going to follow his line then, Iskra     .    Tue Nov 08, 2005 14:09 
 75   .     Iskra    Tue Nov 08, 2005 14:19 
 76   Off Topic     Ex-Militant    Tue Nov 08, 2005 14:20 
 77   SP in QUB     Spartacus    Tue Nov 08, 2005 14:55 
 78   Imaginations run wild - it's a conspiracy!     socialist    Tue Nov 08, 2005 16:33 
 79   What is in the interest of the working class. What resources exist.     john throne    Tue Nov 08, 2005 16:43 
 80   socialist     Spartacus    Tue Nov 08, 2005 16:50 
 81   Two Parties?     Dungannon    Tue Nov 08, 2005 21:26 
 82   Lets discuss     Ex-Militant    Tue Nov 08, 2005 22:35 
 83   north     Dungannon    Wed Nov 09, 2005 00:42 
 84   Dungannon     Spartacus    Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:03 
 85   Who is Dungannon Speaking For?     Iskra    Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:27 
 86   To Spartacus     Dungannon    Wed Nov 09, 2005 14:06 
 87   Correction     Dungannon    Wed Nov 09, 2005 15:38 
 88   Dungannon     Hebe    Wed Nov 09, 2005 15:44 
 89   Hebe     Dungannon    Wed Nov 09, 2005 16:18 
 90   Dungannon     Hebe    Wed Nov 09, 2005 16:30 
 91   Stupid argument     Tony Sauvignon    Wed Nov 09, 2005 16:35 
 92   Dungannon     Spartacus    Wed Nov 09, 2005 16:37 
 93   thread diverted away from left sectarianism     john throne    Wed Nov 09, 2005 18:00 
 94   This is hilarious stuff     all laughed out    Wed Nov 09, 2005 18:38 
 95   John Throne     Hebe    Wed Nov 09, 2005 18:40 
 96   Centre of Balance     Frances Grennell    Thu Nov 10, 2005 03:35 
 97   lets keep to the point     ex militant eile    Thu Nov 10, 2005 20:04 
 98   Quick question for the ex:     seedot    Thu Nov 10, 2005 21:47 
 99   Ah... come on guys and girls...     Buck    Sat Nov 12, 2005 04:04 
 100   This new campaign thing that Dermot was talking about     Never in Militant so feeling left out    Sat Nov 12, 2005 13:49 
 101   ?     Buck    Sun Nov 13, 2005 05:19 
 102   conditions dictate demands     SP Australia (rank and file)    Sun Nov 13, 2005 09:02 
 103   No Buck     Never in Militant so feeling left out    Sun Nov 13, 2005 15:59 
 104   get in touch     dermot connolly    Sun Nov 13, 2005 20:12 
 105   Dermot     Never in Militant so feeling left out    Sun Nov 13, 2005 20:32 
 106   Report     Colm Breathnach    Sun Nov 13, 2005 22:19 
 107   Tumbleweed blowing along a deserted street     Never in Militant so feeling left out    Sat Nov 19, 2005 15:21 
 108   ....     Tumbleweed    Sat Nov 19, 2005 15:36 
 109   maybe     Curious    Sat Nov 19, 2005 15:38 


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