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category international | anti-war / imperialism | other press author Tuesday October 17, 2006 22:36author by Yusuf Report this post to the editors

American Base a “burned out wasteland”

Devastating Attack Destroys US Falcon Base in Baghdad
Base explodes and burns
Base explodes and burns

Just before midnight on Tuesday 10th October, the Mujahideen fighters of the Islamic Army in Iraq and the Conquering Army fired barrages of Katyusha and Grad rockets into the largest US arsenal in Iraq. The resultant explosions, unprecedented in Baghdad, left the entire base a “burned out wasteland with no buildings”, according to a Defense Ministry spokesman. The puppet "Defense Ministry" source told Mafkarat al-Islam that dozens of Americans had been killed.

News of the attack and pictures of the bombed out barracks have been suppressed by the US and their Iraqi Muppets.

The arsenal contained over 50 tanks and artillery pieces in addition to armories containing weapons and ammunition. All the buildings and furnishings on the base were totally destroyed and records were completely wiped out.

At least 30 US Abrams tanks and Bradley armored vehicles were known to have been destroyed. The US army set up checkpoints Wednesday to prevent any photographs of the destroyed vehicles being taken

The American military admitted that a spectacular series of explosions in a munitions depot of the base was caused by an 82mm mortar. They admitted the attack had destroyed their stockpile, shut down operations on the base and grounded a few battalions.

The Mujahideen said that the €300 worth of rockets and missiles fired on the base of the occupying Crusaders should not cause such damage but “"by the grace of God landed amongst mountains of munitions and began to explode and throughout Baghdad the thunder of the explosions could be heard."

Major General Bilal Ahmad al-‘Ithawi, an adviser to the “Iraqi Defense Minister” said that the attack had inflicted enormous losses on the US military that could total more than US$1 billion.

Related Link: http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=106537&list=/home.php

"Burned out wasteland"
"Burned out wasteland"

author by Joepublication date Tue Oct 17, 2006 23:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Falcon Base burns and explodes live on Al Jazeera. One day this could be Shannon airport if one of their planes has a bad landing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWQ6P5X2DZc

“Look at the marines Run”
US Soldiers cheer as base still explodes at dawn- No school today!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKulBlYqI40&mode=related...arch=

Crusaders Terminated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U7fyQaH25M&mode=related...arch=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0WHHBDECck&mode=related...arch=

British soldiers beat Iraqi children as Iraqi adults are too much for them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0lVygyEo2E

author by Panzraampublication date Wed Oct 18, 2006 00:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Please remove the disgusting death porn from this site. Be they American or Iraqi this snuff filth has no place on this site.

author by hedgehogpublication date Wed Oct 18, 2006 01:19author address author phone Report this post to the editors

and the media don't show it. Perhaps if people saw more of this, they would not let their children join up to fight and die for rich old white mens financial interests. IMHO Leave them up. Youtube is filling a need because the corporate media don't do their job.

author by boxpublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 04:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

it was shown on Oz TV but the report went to great lengths to state that it wasn't the result of an external attack -- "accident" was the official U.S. version.

Either way, there is custard on the face. My version is a supersonic falafel hit the base from London!

author by Tonypublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I've seen this story in various places. The explosions have certainly been confirmed by the western media. However I have yet the detail quoted in this particular source corroborated. I'm not implying that the western media are reliable, but many7 of the sites run ning the story in the form quoted are clealy anti-semitic. I'd love for it to be fully true that the US has sufferered such a major defeat, but I haven't yet been convinced. So far as I know, for example, Al Jazeera hasn't run this version of events

author by anti war my bollockspublication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 20:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Why is this placed under 'anti-war'?

The barely disguised glee over the alleged attack because the target was American exposes the 'anti-war' position for what it is and makes a mockery of it.

author by A10publication date Thu Oct 19, 2006 22:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

An ammo or Forward observation base gets hit,AND?????????
Within seven days all the ammo or FOB will be replaced.As forward ob bases are pretty makeshift affairs anyway.It would be a monemuntal defeat for the anti American terrorists if one of their depots went up.We can replace all that within a week,the terrorists cant. Want to lay off the old melodramitc terms Yusef,you remid me of old Bagdad Bob in the last days of Saddam.

author by gerripublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 00:14author address author phone Report this post to the editors

sorry all you believers in the might of American militarism, looks like they are slowly but surely being hammered by the various different factions of resistance in Iraq not to mention Afghanistan.

If this is not true, how come the casualty rate is going up despite years of fighting? (which shows no signs of abating)

How come George B has admitted that there are correlations between Vietnam (America's hour of humiliation) and Iraq?

It was obvious that attacking Iraq was a stupid idea, both for civilians of Iraq as well as global peace. If the past few years have not affirmed this, what will it take?

author by Yusufpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 02:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yes, the explosion was caused by a small rocket. The US Army themselves admitted it. The arsenal took a direct hit, by the will of Allah, that set off a chain of explosions destroying the entire base. What fools too store such high explosives like that? But then they don't care much for the soldiers.

Second point: the base can't be restocked of the destroyed equipment quite so easily. The entire base is destroyed, to the ground. Housing, offices, tanks, APC carriers, artillery, all documents and records, toilets...........everything........everything. As you say, they dont have a pot to piss in.

Of course they can build it again and according to the Iraqi Defense Source who saw the scene it will cost over a billion dollars for the ordnance alone. Then they have to fly it from the States and transport it to the base, when it is rebuilt. Of course they will have to run the gauntlet of the very dangerous Iraqi roads to get there and we see what happens to invaders on the roads in Iraq.

Of course it wasnt shown on western media. RTE was careful not to mention it even though it the singular greatest defeat any western army has received since Hitlers Army at Stalingrad. But my gullible friends, just because your media doesn't report it doesnt mean it didnt happen. You may notice if you read the source story that the US military stopped reporters taking pictures or approaching the base or the scores of towed-away destroyed vehicles, tanks, etc.

I don't believe the US will bother to rebuild Forward Operations Base Falcon as they are now trying to figure out how to retreat without having the last 50,000 soldiers slaughtered as the main force departs. The British were smart enough to stay within an hours drive of the Kuwaiti border and the Gulf where the RAF and Royal Navy can give them retreating cover by air and sea. The US army is, however in a very bad place and will suffer very high losses as they try to run away.

They are truly in a very bad position. There will be no negotiated withdraw. They will be pursued and killed and the police and Army of Iraq they think they can depend on are mostly also waiting to kill them. They watch them closely and give information about them and their bases to the Resistance.

This is not like Viet Nam where they can run down a narrow strip of land from barefoot teenagers to exit. This is Iraq where they will pay with their blood for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

And where will they run to then? Saudia? Israel? Where can they run but home? And what will happen to Israel when the Iraqi fighters go to help their brothers in Lebanon? Where will they run when the katushas and Grad rockets come to them?

Thank God for George Bush. This idiot has opened the door to the end of Imperialist rule in the Middle East, Africa and Asia. He will see a New World Order he did not dream of. Look at Somalia where his gangs are being driven out and now the Islamic army runs the country. Look at Sudan as the groups from Chad join up with Janjaweed and go after US gangs in East Chad. Look at Afghanistan where Brits and Canadians are talking of running home. Look at Lebanon where Israel has suffered its first of many defeats. Look at Saudi and Jordan where the days of the American puppet tyrants is limited. Thank you George Bush. Thank you! We love him more than you do

author by Tottipublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 03:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You might not agree with the action of those soldiers that rape, murder and plunder in Iraq. But you wear the same uniform and are an integral part of this illegal invasion force. Hence, you and all the other 149999 cohoerts are a ligitimite target. Besides, those known cases of war crimes commited by you desert storm troopers are only the tip of the iceberg.

Without american interference over the decades all this bloodshed would not be. You americans created Saddam, supported him and now you are responsible for all this terror and destruction in Iraq, directly and indirectly. If you have any dignity, you would put on your civilian clothes and make a runner across the rockies to Canada.

author by Yusufpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 03:10author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Of course not all US soldiers are child rapists. That would be rediculaous to say. Some of them are gay. Some are impotent. Some are too scared when in Iraq to think of sex. We should not generalise about the great brave US soldiers who are helping the Iraqi people find democracy. Look here at the great work they are doing......they also do......

Torture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9h_lGDU1o

Mass murder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0onqypLy10

author by Tottipublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 03:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Is there any other country in the world that is trying to spread democracy to another by killing approx. 655000 of its inhabitants, directly and indirectly? Its high time for the UN to put your leaders on trial for conspiring to an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, crimes against humanity as well as mass murder.

author by Citizen ypublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 04:31author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I believe that the end of America as we know it is imminent. George Bush either knew or did not care when invading Iraq that the Muslim world would never be conquered - he and his cronies just wanted to make money on weaponry and reconstruction.

Unfortunately Amerika is dragging Europe and Ireland down with her. 5 yrs ago after 9/11 Usama Binladin said his aim to make Amerika a shadow of former self. This will be achieved as she bankrupts herself fighting wars paid for by the taxpayer. Amerika and her sons are despised worldwide. The Bush family have done this with their cronies, without being democratically elected. Hate has been created for all things western. We will all suffer for the crimes of the few.

author by Carthagepublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 04:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Americas number one cronie John Howard prime minister of Australia was on the box last night and continuously referred to the US as the greatest power and country the world has ever known. That must have set the Aussie hearts beating with pride.

Now that the people of america are opposing the war the aussies now feel safe to do so too. The Australian Party have been pressuring the Government to withdraw its troops from Iraq all week. Howard pleaded with them to change their policy saying "dont give them [the terrorists] another weapon for propaganda."

Little johnny is no longer just against weapons of mass destruction, he is now against weapons of mass media too.

author by A10publication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 14:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

As a Islamofascist.Why do you call God Allah on one point and then refer to him as God in another paragraph?????
Second,apart from a suposedly Al Jazeriah video,and we know AL Quieda are specifically looking at flooding chat rooms,media outlets etc with a info war at the moment.WHY was this video NOT aired on CNN,Fox,SKY,ZDF,ARD,Russian TV or actually anyone????You mean to tell us that noone was going to not show the Americans getting a good kicking from a bunch of raggedy terrorists???Of course all us infidels cooperate on hiding bad news!!!Well, if you are dumb enough to belive that if you die,by blowing yourself up, you will get seventy eternal virgins[How does that work BTW???You are either a virgin or not].You would belive anything
A Billion dollars for a FOB and ordinance??? That is looking like a pic from an atomic ground zero burst??What was it the Cheyanne mountain complex???Well, we all know how corrupt and backhanding is a way of life in the Arabic world.So proably the Iraqui officer was right in his estimation as what it would cost to an arab army,once everyone is paid off.First rule of propaganda Yusef is you must make it BELIVEABLE!!!

author by Tottipublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 21:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

A10, what is an islamofascist? Is there anything such as a christianofascist.? Maybe Hitler and Mussolini, both were catholics and fascists at the same time but they did not practise their religion. Stalin was brought up among monks. That kind of makes sense. But Islam and fascism in one? I always thouht fascism is a typical characteristic of european capitalist societies and fiercly anti-religious.
Or a jewofascist (zionist)? I propose you keep your stupid american terminologies to yourself and do some reading on mankind's history before throwing around these primitives of yours.

author by inevitablepublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 21:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I'm glad the US are experiencing such losses....I think in the light of these Bush will cut and run, Its a sad thing to say...i am a supporter of the Al-Rashadeen Army because they only target US / bogus coalition targets...not civilians! (unlike US troops)

author by Yusufpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 22:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I don't watch the American news stations you refer to so I cant say if the destruction of Falcon Base was shown there or not. I can say for certain the millionaire print media in Ireland did not mention it once. Nor did RTE or any radio statio I have heard.

As for the "72 Virgins" which are supposed to be promised to Shaheeds(Martyrs) this is a lie put out originally by Zionists. There is no such mention of any such reward in the Qur'an. The Prophet, peace be upon him, never made any such comment or promise. This does not stop the pro-Israeli commentators and journalists from constantly referring to this lie to discredit Shaheeds. They tell the lie often and people like you believe it. It is a lie, and Shaheeds are not sex-mad lunatics as the Zionists would have you fear and believe. They give their life back to Allah for love of him because it was from him it came. This is their proof of faith. Life is but a test. Do you cling to it, your miserable life.

As for the Words Allah and God, it is the same. God is Allah and Allah is God. The One God. La Illaha illaha (there is but one God). Even the cowardly US soldiers know this. Look at when the Mujahideen bring death to them how they pray for their miserable lives in this video.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MFt_yk7sxg

author by A10publication date Sat Oct 21, 2006 20:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Either you provide a link to an established Western,or Russian media or newspaper[not Taliban TV or some other such].That followed and printed or showed this story,otherwise all are concerned it is just crude Jihadist islamo propaganda.Oh yeah lay off the Islam muhajadeen rehoritic it does no favours.

author by A10publication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 23:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

So according to a "Yahoo" report[very mainstream media ] the Monemuntal defeat is a hit by a mortar on an ammo dump!!!!!!!!!!!! A very expensive firework display,but not as Bagdad Bob 2[AKA Yusef] a billion dollars damage and thousands dead.Just plenty of iraqui on iraqui dead in Bagdad.Such a major news story that not even the Russian media or China carried it.
Guess Yusefs report was created by the magic of Windows media.

How is this a monemuntal defeat??? Do tell

author by Tonypublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 04:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The debate here seems to have divided into those who support the US and those who oppose them, with the pro-imperialists claiming a)it didn't happen, and b)even if it did, it's no big deal
As I said earlier I know from the western media that the attack did take place, and thosae who claim it didn't are willfully refusing to look for the evidence.
However what is still hard to confirm is whether the destruction was of the scale reported in pro-resistance sources. That is not confirmed in sources like Al-Jazeera, which I regard as reliable.
But let's be clear - if the reports by resistance supporters are correct then this is a huge blow to the occupiers.
"the largest US arsenal in Iraq. The resultant explosions, unprecedented in Baghdad, left the entire base a “burned out wasteland with no buildings”, according to a Defense Ministry spokesman. The puppet "Defense Ministry" source told Mafkarat al-Islam that dozens of Americans had been killed.

"The arsenal contained over 50 tanks and artillery pieces in addition to armories containing weapons and ammunition. All the buildings and furnishings on the base were totally destroyed and records were completely wiped out.

"At least 30 US Abrams tanks and Bradley armored vehicles were known to have been destroyed. The US army set up checkpoints Wednesday to prevent any photographs of the destroyed vehicles being taken

"Major General Bilal Ahmad al-‘Ithawi, an adviser to the “Iraqi Defense Minister” said that the attack had inflicted enormous losses on the US military that could total more than US$1 billion."
Other sources I have read claim that about half a dozen huge transport planes were ferrying dead and wounded to hospital.

If these "details" are true, then it is a brilliant blow against the occupation.

And, finally, to the person who sneered that you cannot rejoice at the attack if you are truly anti-war - many of us who oppose the war are not pacifists, we are anti-imperialists. We wish for the defeat of the US. We are against THIS war, which is a war BY the imperialists, that's why why are pleased at vicries by the resistance.

author by skepticalpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 06:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If the blast rattled windows, how was it powerful enough to destroy 50 Abrahms? Tanks(tanks being sturdier than Glass windows)?

How is the us hiding supposedly 300 dead?

presumably the families would notice ?

sounds to me like Yusuf has been having a wet dream, with those fantastic claims.

If the us is out of ammo, why hasnt the resistance won now?

sorry, Yusuf's claims smell like something I ocassionally get on the sole of my shoes.

author by yusufpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It was not reported in the Irish media thought, isnt that right A10? They chose to ingnore it even though as you say it was on some internet media sites. Of course Russian media didn't cover it as they are engaged in the same war against Islam in Chechnya. Som people may have been fooled into thinking that Russia and the US were deadly enemies for decades and perhaps still are, but the truth is the only people the US and Russia have beeen deadly enemies against for that time has been their respective peoples and those they would oppress.
Yes, it is true the entire base was destroyed and over a billion dollars of damage caused by one mortar to an arsenal that set off a chain of events, but such is the will of God and it is God that the Mujahideen represent.

author by Well informed - NY Daily Newspublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 19:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It's odd that one of the "Alledged 300 casualties" is a Soldier in New Yorks 1569th Transportation Company. The casualty was in fact wounded in 2004 by an IED, how did the DOD pre-wound individuals 2years before they were wounded?

They finished their tour and went home in December 2004.

Dont believe me, give them a call at ; 1.845.569.9615 ask for Ssg. Christopher O'Brien(AGR staff)

author by nonapublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 19:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/12/18359/8939

TBRNews.org is a scam website. It promotes conspiracy theories and made-up stories as truth to direct and deflect blame AWAY from the Bush Regime and American State in general towards some foreign bogeyman or patsy.

author by Hahapublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 21:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Daily Kos? you've got to be kidding. there about as legit, as the National Enquirer

author by Gerripublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 21:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I've been following this thread with interest, trying to figure out is Yusuf really what he appears to be, a member of the extremist Muslim Umma or just sad impersonator. People such as this are just as much of a threat as G Bush.

Tony, you say that many of the people who oppose the war in Iraq are anti imperialists and therefore wish for opponents of the United States to be victorious - do you believe that Al Qaeda and their allies are any less imperialist? Do you imagine that if such people got their way that we would live in a safer world? Just to clarify here I was firmly against attacking Iraq. It seems that this and other actions have drawn extremist organisations into Iraq such as Al qaeda and allowed other homegrown, particularly Shi'ite ones to fester. These have as their aim not just an end to the occupation but the establishment of a global Caliphate where women would be systematically oppressed and Gays as well as anyone not living according to strict moral codes would be subject to harsh punishments.

If you are anti imperialist, surely it would make sense not to support people such as these simply because they are against the US??

Or would you support anybody once they were against the US.

author by A10publication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 17:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This according to Yusef is now a US/Russian/Wetern Infidel global conspircy to keep the march of Islamofascism quiet.BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So the US govt has managed to confiscate ALL,cameras,internet comms,etc,etc that the Western and World press has out there in Iraq,that it's troops have,that the Iraquis have,shut down and blocked google earth of any pictures of that area???? Not to mind grab everyones cell phones,shut down all net conversations out of Iraq etc.????WAKE UP!!!!!! If Abu Ghraib,the rendition flights,the shooting of wounded terrorists etc etc couldnt be kept quiet.How come then this massive defeat can be kept quiet????????Quite simply because it DID NOT HAPPEN on the scale described!!! Somthing this size cannot be kept quiet.[Que conspircy theorist nuts...]]
Also,why isnt every islamofascist nut site crowing about this??It would surely be in their intrest to show the great power of Islam[yeah right!!!] surely our lackey leftist media would be out questioning and snooping around the ruins of Falcon??? Not to mind we should be pulling out of Iraq in droves by now.actually we should be back in Kuwait by now.?
Sorry the FACT is this is just Islamist BS

Bulletin board personal chat removed -ed

author by Yusufpublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 22:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

How did they try to keep it secret? By settin up a roadblock 5km away from the base and confiscating cameras and even mobile phones capable of taking pictures. They have even removed the Al jazeera clip of the exploding base from U-Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWQ6P5X2DZc This has been removed because anyone looking at the size of the explosions in the base would have no doubt

However on the bright side it has been replaced here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0v1bIFup4

so you can again watch it burning and even one of the Tactical Nuclear Devices exploding. It explodes at 3.56 minutes into the clip. What do you think was standing in the base after that? Not to mind, as you say, the thousands of rockets, shells, bullets and bombs that exploded all night. Not to mind, as you say, the other dozen or so tactical nukes that went up that night.

And you are right the US army are not heading to Kuwait, they are heading into the desert. Not to mind, as you say , this is where Sheikh bin Laden promised he would bring them almost ten years ago.

author by Yusufpublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 22:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

If you watch the you tube link above you will see the blinding bright flash of the GBU 28 at 3.56 mins into the clip. It is followed by the distinctive mushroom cloud. This is taken by Al Jazeera from several miles away. The device is one of many GBU 28 tactical nuclear weapons that exploded that night. This "Bunker Buster" alone, exploded overground would completely destroy the base, and it was not alone. The resultand Gamma radiation would certainly make the base uninhabitable. Time to run to the desert boys! And that is where they will really bleed.

http://www.ausairpower.net/GBU-28.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28

Raytheon GBU 28
Raytheon GBU 28

author by Reillypublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 23:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

ermmm, why would an airplane bomb be stored at an army base? theres no fighter planes there?

author by Yusufpublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 23:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

More sources on the destruction of the Falson Base

Nuclear blast and mushroom cloud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0v1bIFup4

"Munitions dump blown in Baghdad. Nobody talking"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/11/184954/46

Dozens of dead US soldiers. Iraqi bodies not released
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2006/10/15/ammo-dump-investi...tion/

BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6038990.stm

Iraqi reports + latest videos of attacks on invaders
http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/105198
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/105534

RTE Report
............ehhhhh! I guess they missed that one too. Does that mean it didnt happen? What you think A10? If it's not in the paper we dont believe it happened. I suppose if we get control of the media then we can control what people think? Ha ha! Is that why you show such derision at Indymedia for daring to report this incident in Ireland. The only media outlet that has.

author by Yusufpublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 00:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Google video is also showing this Tactical Nuclear Device exploding in Falcon Base :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=135590757080092...clear

This is the weapon the US used to murder 800 women and children in a civilian bunker in Baghdad during the First Gulf War.

Here is a US military clip of it in action. It is supposed to be low yield. The US will be anxious to quosh any reports of this weapon being stored in a civilian area like Al Doorha .
This is the weapon the Israeli army used in Lebanon last summer in civilian areas.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-86683403029205...uster

author by Joepublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thats not a tactical nuke its just a big explosion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_cloud

Nukes are constructed so they pretty much cannot be detonated by secondary explosions or heat

author by Joepublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 13:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Actually if you watch the videos which includes the footage broadcast on Al Jezzera there was certainly some very, very large scale explosions. The claim for the tank destruction sounds too high but might be believables were it not for all the other ridiculous claims coming from the same source.

author by Browserpublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 14:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I hope some of these links help to clarify what did or did not happen:

http://www.jihadunspun.com/newsarchive/article_internal....php&

Three Iraqi Translators Helped Mujahideen To Destroy US Base in Baghdad
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/105660

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/1570
http://www.mail-archive.com/media-dakwah@yahoogroups.com/msg08984.html
http://schema-root.org/region/middle_east/iraq/coalition_forces/united_states/u.s._bases/camp_falcon/

9 Transport Planes Ferried American Dead Bodies From BaghdadFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
http://www.nogw.com/download/2006_falcon_arsenal.pdf

"Quds Press noted that although the American authorities reported no casualties in the attack, the Iraqi source, who asked not to be identified, said that "dozens" of American soldiers were killed in the explosions that rocked the arsenal for hours Tuesday-Wednesday night. The source said that the US military have in their custody the bodies of six Iraqi translators who were killed in the blasts, and the Americans were refusing to release those remains to their families for reasons that remain unknown."
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2006/10/15/5976.shtml

author by Joepublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 14:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The idea that dozens of US military dead could be covered up for this period of time seems very unlikely.

Why?

Well because many of these would have familes and would have been in regular if not daily contact with their familes. The casualities would also have had to come from a relatively small number of units and the families of unit members are often also in contact with each other or in particular if they are national guard from the same area.

So either the US state would have had to have told dozens of families and convinced every one of them to keep this secret not only from the public but also from the friends and more distant relatives of those killed.

Or

There are hundreds of people in the US who for three weeks have been wondering why Joe or Sam or Mary has not been in touch, are in contact with other families whom they know are wondering the same thing but no one has said a thing about it to the media.

Neither seem possible in particular because of the depth of opposition to the war in the US - there would have to be a least one family member somewhere among these hundreds who would have gone public.

In addition this is not the first time these websites have claimed 'secret casualties' so the cover up conspiracy to date would have to be much larger and much longer lasting than that required for the above.

author by Verifierpublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 21:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

BBC's Andrew North reported that the base was blown up by mortar fire and that the xplosions could be heard for miles and continued throughout the night.

He reported no casualties, but this doen'st necessarily mean there weren't any. If he's an embedded reporter, he'd be hidden from the truth, and if he's not with the military, their not gonna let him near the base.

Otherwise, it's hard to get an accurate account of exactly what happened except, tha basics: that insurgents fired mortars at Base Falcon, effacing it from existence. Is it possible to beleive there were no US personnel there, even to guard such a large ammo dump?

US has vested interest in controlling the truth - note the prohibition in US media of troops coming home in flag-draped coffins (caskets).

Related Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6038990.stm
author by Sarntpublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 22:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

None of that proves one iota that a Nuclear weapon was exploded, none of that proves one iota that FOB Falcon was completely destroyed, nor uninhabitable by yank forces.

Ammo Supply Points are not usually near Living area's of Troops, nor near the Workshops, Operations centers, etc.

They do usually have nearby offices to handle the paperwork involved in Distributing Ammunition

http://www.rense.com/general73/falcphotos.htm

http://estripes.osd.mil/

http://www.blackanthem.com/News/military200610_1476.shtml

FOB Falcon ASP View1
FOB Falcon ASP View1

FOB Falcon ASP View2
FOB Falcon ASP View2

author by Fauziapublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 00:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"As for the "72 Virgins" which are supposed to be promised to Shaheeds(Martyrs) this is a lie put out originally by Zionists. There is no such mention of any such reward in the Qur'an. The Prophet, peace be upon him, never made any such comment or promise."

Both the Hadith and the Holy Koran describe Paradise in these terms. The Koran says that there are virgins but the Hadiths state the number.

Check Koran sura 56 verses 12 - 40 and sura 55 verses 54 - 56 and sura 76 verses 12-22.

Sura 56 verses 12 - 39 says "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.

Only those wishing to modernize Islam say that the word houri does not mean virgin.

Yusuf you are full of shit.

author by A10publication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 01:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

tactical nuke that does not show up the traditional radial blast pattern for an above ground or air burst.Note also the containers in the top pic,appx 200 meters from the densest damage area.They would NOT be stacked this neatly after a nuke blast!!! Note also the backround containers etc.THAT is how big Falcon base is!!!!!!!! So you would need a tac nuke to destroy this base!!
A monumental defeat for islamofascism propaganda on indymedia more like.

author by Eric Stewartpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 04:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

All manner of attempts to discredit this bit of news have arised and why not? This has the potential to be far more damaging to the Bush administration than anything that has occured on his watch yet - yes anything. We are talking about storing nuclear devices in a foreign country, in a war zone. For what?
http://justanotherblowback.blogspot.com/2006/10/more-re....html

What follow are items that have been entered as comments and emailed to me, personally, in relation to this event:

At 3:23 PM, Eric Stewart said...

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:18:41 -0000, a member at a mailing list I am subscribed to said:

> I saw the Base Falcon Video at your blog first Eric, and when I went
> back the next night, it wasn't there. So I went looking around the net
> til I found it again.
> Google aquired Youtube, both upload sites are censoring. It's totally
> hit and miss as to how long something stays up.
> The video from the Marines is dated as having been uploaded in May of
> this year. I think they were viewing a seperate instance.

There could be several explanations for all of this. One is that the date was added or changed by GooTube to discredit, as was apparently done with the Pentagon images we got years ago (the date of September 12 was clearly visible on those images).

Another possible explanation is that there were two separate ammunitions dumps that caugh fire and were completely destroyed and these happened several months apart.

Still another is that it took FIVE MONTHS for news to reach us of the destruction of the Falcon base and in this case, as in the second, we see the efficiency and freedom of American news media.

Did I miss any possibilities?

Thanks for pointing this out. This information is key, somehow, I am sure. This post is getting attached to the video at my blog (as an added comment) which, at my end anyway, is still functioning.

Your name will be kept a secret.

[...]

Blogger note: I have personally uploaded lots of videos to that site and none accidentally came up with the wrong date. Can you say GooTube?

[...]

At 4:22 PM, Eric Stewart said...

Another Disastrous Coverup

[...]

At 3:12 AM, Eric Stewart said...

Apparently there have been some efforts to discredit the existence of small scale tactical nukes. They aren't new folks:

"The M-388 Davy Crockett was a tactical nuclear recoilless rifle projectile that was deployed by the United States during the Cold War. It was named after American soldier, Congressman and folk hero Davy Crockett (1786-1836)."

There is more here.

[...]

At 4:24 AM, Eric Stewart said...

Someone wrote to me:

It was suggested in a post that the explosion in question could not have been a tactical nuke because there was no electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) to 'knock-out' the cameras filming this event. Well it should be remembered that the Enola Gay, the B-29, that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki wasn't knocked out of the air by EMP! You can verify this by doing a search on "nuclear emp" in Wikipedia. For small nuclear detonations, such as tactical nukes, the resultant EMP in magnitude enough to do this would have a very short range, 1/4 mile or less. The explosion we witnessed at Camp Falcon is entirely consistent with that of a tactical nuclear device with a 10 to 20 kiloton capacity.

The DoD isn't saying much about the incident. They're zipped tight about the incident. When all of this is considered, it does not bode well. As I said before, I hope this was not a tactical nuke, but I have my nagging doubts almost to certainty that it was.

Thank-you Eric for the post. The implications are of a magnitude that boggles the mind. If this was a tactical nuke, what was it doing in Bagdhad? Was it designed for a 'false flag' event to initiate hostilities with Iran? I hope there are enough Commanders in the field in Iraq that possess the sense to recognize the lunacy of this and the courage to blow the whistle. I'm not sure we're getting enough information out of this area. I wish we could get more.

[...]

At 8:37 PM, Eric Stewart said...

All manner of attempts to discredit this bit of news have arised and why not? This has the potential to be far more damaging to the Bush administration than anything that has occured on his watch yet - yes anything. We are talking about storing nuclear devices in a foreign country, in a war zone. For what?

There has been a steady campaign, as well, to paint this explosion as some other kind of very large bomb. Here I provide links to video evidence showing what happens when the largest non-nuclear bomb ever created goes off, the MOAB. You will notice that the MOAB, unlike the bomb that went off in Iraq, does not bathe the entire landscape in white light, which is a form of electromagnetic radiation (thermal radiation, or heat, is not the same color). As well, it does not mushroom, this the biggest non-nuclear device ever devised. The last link, below, shows the first ever H-bomb detonation, in which we see the brilliant flash first (clearly visible even in broad daylight), as in the Iraq videos.

The Iraqi video is useful in that it shows a much further angle, showing just how much of the city is bathed in light and the Marines' video is useful in that we see concern about fallout in regards to wind directions and that the sirens did not go off until the mushroom went off.

The Mother of All Bombs
http://justanotherblowback.blogspot.com/2006/10/moab-mo....html

The Iraqi Video of a Mushroom Cloud
http://justanotherblowback.blogspot.com/2006/10/mushroo....html

The U.S. Marines' View
http://justanotherblowback.blogspot.com/2006/10/us-mari....html

First Ever H-bomb detonation
http://justanotherblowback.blogspot.com/2006/10/first-h....html

author by Yusufpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 04:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Official Casualty List from U.S. military hospital at al-Habbaniyah located some 70km west of Baghdad. U.S. medical personnel at al-Habbaniyah initially stated that the US military hospital at the massive American-occupied air base there had begun to receive dead and wounded personnel. The military hospital in al-Habbaniyah, the largest in occupied Iraq, was opened on 12 May this year in response to sharply rising (and redacted) US casualties.

List compiled and effective as of 11 Oct 06 at 2300.

– A -
Pfc James R. Adams, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Captain Kenneth Adler, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Pfc Bobby Ray Albertson , Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
1st Lt.Keith Allen, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Spc Cletus Anderson, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Lance Cpl John Martin Ansley, Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment
Spc Toby Anthony, National Guard's 149th Brigade Combat Team
Pfc Gustavo Armijo, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Michael Armstrong, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Capt Steven Arnold, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
James Arthur Ash II, Central Intelligence Agency
Cpl Edward Atkinson, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade

– B –
Pfc Roy Bailey, National Guard's 149th Brigade Combat Team
Spc John Baldwin, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade
Pfc Charles Barbe, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Pfc Thomas Barnhart , 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc James Barry, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Capt Robert Bell, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Spc William Bennett , Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Pfc Saul Benson, 549th Military Police Company, 385th Military Police Battalion
Pfc Joseph Berge, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Pfc Joseph Berkeley , 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Capt Colmar Betts, 414th Civil Affairs
Zack Billings, Department of Defense
Edward Blair,, Civilian Contractor
1st Lt.Ronald Bort, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Pfc Bowen, James, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Pfc Thomas R. Boyd, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Spc Mel Brewer, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Master Sgt.Roger Brown , 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Francis Byrne, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company

– C -
Pfc Arthur Cahill, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Pfc Fernando Calderon, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Alex Callaghan, Civilian Contractor
Pfc Peter Campbell, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Cpl Douglas Carmody, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Ashanti Carter, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Henry Cartwright, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Pfc Ken Casey, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Russell Cavanaugh, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
Spc Raymond Chamberlain, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade
Pfc Einar Christiansen, 414th Civil Affairs
Spc Zack Christopher, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Eric Clark, 549th Military Police Company, 385th Military Police Battalion
Ronald Colby, Civilian Contractor
Pfc Marcus M. Cole, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Paul Collins, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Pfc Rory Conner, Department of Defense
Pfc Roger Connolly, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Major Michael Connors, 414th Civil Affairs
Steven Cooke, Department of Defense
Spc Matthew Cooper, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Edward C. Courtney, Central Intelligence Agency
Capt Jimmy Lee Craig, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Spc Samuel Cramer, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Pfc Micah Creighton, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Spc Leonard Cunningham, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Paul E. Curtis, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company

– D -
Pfc Sebastian Daly, 2nd Battalion, 27th Infantry, 3rd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division
1st Lt.Benjamin Davis, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
Raymond Day, Civilian Contractor
Pfc Justin Delaney, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Christopher Dixon , Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment
Cpl Paul Doherty, 414th Civil Affairs
Pfc Nicholas Dolan, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Lawrence Donahue, 1st Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division
Pfc Randall Douglas, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Carl Dowd , Civilian Contractor
Master Sgt.Phillip Doyle, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Pfc Edmund Drake, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Spc Charles Duval, 2nd Battalion, 27th Infantry, 3rd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division

– E -
Spc Brandon East , Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Pfc Jeremy Edwards, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Shane Elkins, 549th Military Police Company, 385th Military Police Battalion
Edgar Elliott , Central Intelligence Agency
Pfc Ronald Ellis, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
2nd Lt.Paul H. Etheridge, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Sgt Kenny Evans, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division

– F –
Cpl Thomas Fairchild, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Pfc Ben Farrell, 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Robert Feeney, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Angus Ferguson, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Lance Cpl Eetaban Fernandez, Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment
Spc Bradford Fields , , Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Pfc Raymond, Finlay, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Major Eduard Fischer, 414th Civil Affairs
Pfc Kirk Fitzgerald, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Arnold Flynn, Civilian Contractor
1st Lt.Gene Ford, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Pfc Scott Fort, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Capt Shelby Foster, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Pfc Jon Franklin, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Spc Harold Frederickson, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade
Pfc Lawrence Frost, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division

– G –
Pfc Michael Gaines, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Christopher Gallagher, National Guard's 149th Brigade Combat Team
Pfc Israel GarciaRogelio R. Garza, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Pfc Daniel Gardner, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Brad Garrison , Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Lance Cpl Kirk Geary, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force
Pfc Randy Geohegan, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Adam Gibson, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Master Sgt.Richard M. Gilligan, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Paolo Giovinazzo, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Jeffery Givens, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division
Cpl Mario Gold, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
2nd Lt.Pedro Gomez, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Michael Gordon , 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Gabriel Govia, 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Thomas Grady, Department of Defense
Pfc Kevin Graham, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Pfc Paul Gray, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Samuel Green, Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment
Pfc Lloyd Griffith, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Cpl Andrew Gustafson, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company

– H –
1st Lt. Seth Hall, , Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment
Pfc Tobias Hancock, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc James Hansen, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Sgt Stuart Harding , 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Randy Hardy, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Pfc Ronald Harris, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division
Pfc Keith O. Harvey, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
1st Lt.Karl Hawkins, 414th Civil Affairs
Sgt. 1st Class Samuell Hayden, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Randi Hays, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Ben Henderson, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade
Pfc Kyle Henry, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Spc Danid D.Herron, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Capt Kenneth Hilliard, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc John Hodge, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
2nd Lt.Lee Hoffman, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Master Sgt.David Hoke, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Pfc Ted Holmes, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Kenny Howard, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division

– I-
Keith Ingraham, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Pfc Daniel Innis, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Shane Irving, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division

– J –
Pfc Tarrnish Jackson, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Spc Lewellen Jacobs, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Timothy Jasper, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
1st Lt.Larry Jenkins, 414th Civil Affairs
2nd Lt.Phiillip Johnson, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Pfc Brian Johnstone, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Pfc Todd Jones, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Pfc Brendan Joscelyn, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
2nd Lt.Cpl Allan Jose, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Thomas Joyce, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Spc Benno Juarez, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division

– K-
1st Lt.Eric Kaufman, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Charles Kavanaugh , Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Cpl Jon Keats, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Eric Keefe, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Tony Keeler, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Chester Keenan, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Pfc Frank Kennedy, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Jon Kent, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Sgt Jordan Kessler, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Capt Mark King , 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Neil Kirk, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Spc Jeff Klein, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Alan Knoll, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
.Pfc Adam Koehler, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Capt Osmond Kray, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
2nd Lt.Gary Krueger, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division

– L –
Tracey LaFaver , Civilian Contractor
Lance Cpl Roger Lafferty, Marine Forces Reserve’s 2nd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment
Pfc Junior Lambert, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Shawn Lane, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Cpl Charles T. Langholz, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Jimmy Bob Larkin, National Guard's 149th Brigade Combat Team
Pfc Eric Larsen, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Sgt. 1st Class Robert Law, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Spc Andrew Richard, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Ricardo LeGallo, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
2nd Lt.William S. Leonard, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force
Pfc Marshal Lindsley, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Master Sgt.Tommy Lee Lipton, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc George Long, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Jimmy Longtree, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
1st Lt. Jasper Loomis, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Pfc Carstairs Lowe, 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Robert M. Lynch, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company

– M –
Pfc Paul McKinnon , 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Keith MacVane, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Gunnar Magnusson, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Capt.Martin Mahoney, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Enzo Marini, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Rostan Markovic, Central Intelligence Agency
Spc John M. Marshall, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Pfc Michael Martin, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Pfc Scott Marvin, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Pfc Leroy Mason, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Spc Greg Mathews, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Duncan Maxwell, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Brian Mayer, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade
Arthur Mazzocco, Department of Defense
1st Lt.Joseph McAllister, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Master Sgt. Daniel McBride, . 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc William McClellan, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force
Spc Lou McConnell, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Sgt. 1st Class Albert McGinnis,. 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Master Sgt.David McRae, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Matthew Medigovich, Central Intelligence Agency
Pfc Vincent Mendoza, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Cpl Richard Milich, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Pfc Ben Miller, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade
Cpl Robert Mitchell, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Terrence Mogen, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Ted Montague, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division
Pfc Yates Montecino, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Esteban Morales, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Pfc Darrell Morgan, Central Intelligence Agency
Jeffery Morrison, Civilian Contractor

– N –
1st Lt.Noble Natsios, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Carlos Naverez, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Sgt. 1st Class Edward Nelson , 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Cpl Donald Newcomb, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Roger Newell, Civilian Contractor
Pfc Dorin Nicholson, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Bart Nolan, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Nelson Norton, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Wally Novak, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion

– O –
1st Lt.Chris O’Brien , 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Stephen O’Connor, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Raymond O’Rourke, Civilian Contractor

– P –
Spc James W. Page, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Russell Palumbo, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Pfc Nicholas Pappas, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Troy Parker, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Mark Patten, 47th Combat Support Hospital, 62nd Medical Brigade
George Paul, Civilian Contractor
Lance Cpl Wallace Peabody, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force
Pfc Dale Peake, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Reed Perry, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Pfc Samuel Petersen, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Roger Platt, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
1st Lt.Thomas Poole, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
Pfc William Porter, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade
Sgt Daniel Powell, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Todd Price, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Cpl Kevin Prisley, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Peter Purvis, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division

– Q –
2nd Lt.Quesada, Gonzalo, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Pfc Liam Quinn, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division

– R –
Pfc Chad Railey, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Ignacio Ramirez, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Pfc Arthur Ramsen, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Benjamin Raymond, Civilian Contractor
Spc Todd Reckford, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Aaron Reynolds, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Timothy Richard, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division
1st Lt. Paul Richardson, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Robert Riley, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Shawn Roberts, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Cpl Kirk Robinson, National Guard's 149th Brigade Combat Team
Sgt. 1st Class James P. Rodgers, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
Master Sgt. Chad Romer, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Martin Ross, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Robert Rowan, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
2nd Lt.Seth Ryan, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division

– S –
Spc Ricardo Sagan, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Hector Salazar, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Ed Sampson, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
1st Lt Walter San Fellipo, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Bruce Sartiano,, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Raymond Schmitz, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
2nd Lt.Ernest Sherman , 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
Pfc Mario Sims, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Joshua Smith, 4th Support Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Andrew Snow, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo
Gerald Sorenson, Department of Defense
Lincoln Stadermann, Translator
Master Sgt.Michael Stephenson, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Carl Stone,, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Capt.Harold Sullivan, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
1st Lt. Lawrence Swenson, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division

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Cpl Augustus Tanner, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Pfc Reginald Tate, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Duane Taylor, 118th Military Police Company, 519th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade
Sgt. 1st Class Curtis Thomas, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Stuart Thompsen, 57th Military Police Company, 8th Military Police Brigade
Spc Larry Thomson, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Capt David Towers, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Pfc Dean Townsend, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
2nd Lt.James Tracy, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Pfc Paul Tucker, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Daniel Tyson, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division

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Pfc Romillo Ugarte, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division
Cpl Austin Unger, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division

– V –
Spc Ramon Valadez, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Hector Velazquez, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Spc WalterVincent, 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division
2nd Lt.ThomasVoelker, 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division

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Spc Carl Wade, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Sgt. 1st Class Kevin Walker, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Ronald Walsh,, 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Jack Ward, 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Cpl Sean Weber, 1st Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division
Pfc Steven Webster, Army National Guard’s 35th Special Troops Battalion
Spc Paul Welch, 3rd Battalion, 16th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Capt.Gene Westin, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, 25th Infantry Division
Master Sgt.Richard Wheeler, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
Pfc Lawrence White, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Andrew Willams, 7th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Sgt. 1st Class Mario Williamson, Army National Guard’s 1569th Transportation Company
Russell Wilson, Translator
Michael Wisniewski, Civilian Employee
Cpl Chris Womack, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Burton Wood, Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile UnitTwo

– Y -
Cpl Fernando Yates, 1st Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division
Istvan Yatsevitch, Civilian Contractor
Cpl John York, 4th Battalion, 42nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Peter Young, 1st Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division

– Z –
Pfc Mario Zammarella, 1st Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Cpl Jose Zamora, 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Spc Reuben Zamora, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division
Pfc Arno Ziegler, 542nd Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion
1st Lt.Charles L. Zimmerman, 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division

Related Link: http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=106619&list=/home.php
author by Jimmy Masseypublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 04:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

According to DOD,and AKO(Army Knowledge Online) "White Pages" these "casualties";

Capt. Kenneth Adler, Army Reserve 346th Psychological Operations Company
Capt Steven Arnold, 67th Armor Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division
Master Sgt.Roger Brown , 204th Support Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division

-Dont exist

AKO Lists the Names of Every single Serving member of the US Army;Active, Reserve, & National Guard, By Name, By Rank, By Unit. it is a Mandatory requirement that they have an account.

Your list is False, someone is selling you a Bridge in Brooklyn as they used to say. I looked up 68 names then decided it's BS, none showed up.

author by Tonypublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 08:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Gerri says:
1) "Tony, you say that many of the people who oppose the war in Iraq are anti imperialists and therefore wish for opponents of the United States to be victorious - do you believe that Al Qaeda and their allies are any less imperialist?
2)Do you imagine that if such people got their way that we would live in a safer world? Just to clarify here I was firmly against attacking Iraq. It seems that this and other actions have drawn extremist organisations into Iraq such as Al qaeda and allowed other homegrown, particularly Shi'ite ones to fester.
3)These have as their aim not just an end to the occupation but the establishment of a global Caliphate where women would be systematically oppressed and Gays as well as anyone not living according to strict moral codes would be subject to harsh punishments.

4)If you are anti imperialist, surely it would make sense not to support people such as these simply because they are against the US??

5)Or would you support anybody once they were against the US."

I've added numbering so it is easier to respond
Point 1) Imperialism is not a policy or a state of mind, it's about ACTUAL domination of one country by another, for economic, political or strategic advantages. Al Qaeda obviously is in no position to dominate in those ways, even if they defeat the US. However Al Qaeda are a very minor part of the opposition to the US occupation. Even opinion polls carried out by western media show massive opposition to the occupation. By far the majority of the resistance is indigenous
2)I've dealt with the "such people" nonsense above, however, yes, I do believe that if the resistance inflicts a defeat (which will, a la Vietnam war, almost certainly be more political than military) the world will be a safer place, as it was after the Vietnam war, which had the effect of preventing further US military adventures for many years (the well-known "Vietnam syndrome")
3)This statement of yours is rubbish. As I said, the vast majority of the opposition is NOT "fundamentalist". What's more, if you want to talk about the killing of women and gays in Iraq, far, far more have been killed by the occupation than in, for example, Iran. And don't give me the nonsense about "ah but they weren't killed BECAUSE they were women or gay" - they were killed - do you suggest it is any consolation to them that it was "only" because they were Iraquis, not for being female or gay?
4) The "such people", as I've said, is rubbish. Does it make sense to support the resistance? Yes, despite what may or may not be their politics. You may not be aware that this has always been the position of marxists - for example supporting the Ethiopian regime of Haile Selassie against Italy
5)Would I support ANYBODY against the US? No, I wouldn't support another major imperialist power, but by the same token my support of other countries against the US is regardless of the poltics of that country
A final point - the US is the major force in the world which maintains capitalism and opression. Without its support many regimes would fall, including its very reactionary allies, such as Saudi Arabia and Israel, and, when it suited the US, Saddam's Iraq.
A defeat for the US, EVEN by Islamists, would greatly weaken the very forces that give rise to fundamentalism

author by Verifierpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 09:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

So, we've seen the critics of this story go from outright denial and attempts to ridicule the author, to quibbles about details, but de facto admission that the basis of the story is real. Who is credible here?

Ignoring the points in my first/last post, we get flack designed to deflect attention from yet another US military set-back.

* Perhaps, what Usuf was referring to by tactical nuclear weapons, was depleted uranium. The use of du is disputed, but not incredible.

* Stuff about virgins in heaven is quite irrelevent to this story (which wasn't about theology). The passage referred to in the Koran assumes the motives of these particular attackers. Any window-dressing can be put on it, but as the above comment suggests, the invader will be an enemy by virtue of their occupation.

* Critics of this story have ignored points about US media censorship, US military propaganda machine and lack of journalists on the ground in Iraq because of Allies and militias alike. Some incidents take months for the details to come out. This may be yet another example.

author by Verifierpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 09:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Looking at the source of Yusuf's list (Jihad Unspun), combined with Jimmy's research, the details of the attack are none the clearer.

author by A10publication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 14:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sorry Verifier
DU does NOT explode!!! It works by kinetic energy.It's heavy mass when fired from a gun at hyperspeed is enough to smash thru plate armour.A very simplified explanation.So even if it was burnt you would have DU traces all over the place.Second of all you would want to know somthing about modern artillery.The idea of old brass shells is long gone.
The powder charge and shell head are stored,transported and loaded in tewo seperate units.The DU shell heads are inert lumps of metal.What blew off there were the powder charges. Plus this hullabaloo about the bunker busting mini nuke is nonsense as well,the thing is on the design board,it is not even a working active weapons system,and wont be either for a long while.Even if it was the unit would be useless in Iraq.The terrorists arent sitting in hardned bunkers .So why have it there in the first place?You dont just order up a AIR plane dropped nuke ,just to have it handy in case you find an ol bunker that might need nuking.So that debunks your DU theory.

Getting bored about this drivel about US media censorship and intl conspiricies to keep this quiet. HOW do you censor ALL the US personel,when all the home movies about Abu Ghraib ,atroticies etc etc are out almost within a week of them happening???
This is not like a group of men sitting reading everyones Dear Mom and Dad written letters and cutting out the pertinent bits like in ww2 or Vietnam anymore.
With the electronic age you can be sending live footage home to mom &dad as it actually happens from the war zone.You can be the reporter nowadays.Ever here of Iwatch @CNN??Nothing like some actual rights to copyright footage,if and when you do get back to the real world.It is too big to keep quiet.
And even if you could censor the US media which is Bullshit anyway as they would immediately make that a story about the US govt trampling on the first ammendment rights of freedom of speech,etc.AND the US govt trying to hush somthing up.
Second could the US censor the UK,France,Germany,Russia ,China etc etc mainstream media?????Like Hell!!!It would suit those countries to show in all their glory the US making an ass of themselves in Iraq.
REASON this story wasnt given international attention is because it is NOT NEWSWORTHY!!! This happened Oct 18th ,today is the 27th.If this was such a "monemuntal defeat" 9 days later this story with all the added nonsense of nuke bombs,thousands dead,blah,blah,blah Should be an international sensation by now. Only place it gets any attention is on the anti American,Taliban hugger,websites like here,propogated by people who really wish that this happened.

The seventy virgins.Window dressing indeed,but quite a common occurance here to distract ,or to know do somone actually know what they are on about.Yusef obviously doesnt know his Koran very well,as he claimed it was a Zionist lie about the "72 virgins"He couldnt even get the number right. Simply said anyone could have looked up a Koran online to find the quote,but he was too lazy,inept,or incompetant to do so.Deduction.Yusef is a phoney ,posing as a Muslim,and if he doesnt know his Koran well,can anyone but the most fanatic anti American take this story now with a big pinch of salt??
And could somone please explain how this is a monemuntal defeat???
The silence on this pertinent point is deafning!!!!

author by Yusufpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 15:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The above list of some 400 casualties is the Official Casualty List from U.S. military hospital at al-Habbaniyah.

US Army footage of explosions. US marines joke and laugh as Falcon Base explodes. Caution their language is very bad in places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIO3xk5-tXM

Iraqi Resistance footage. Much closer and no cursing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwa2xJpoyxk

author by Charles B.publication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 15:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

your encylopedic knowledge and fascination with munitions and the instruments of war and death is, in the way in which you regurgitate it, quite sickening. You constantly try to rationalise the use of DU by making it seem like any other weapon.
If the huge explosion was a TNW or a bunker buster or a stash of roman candles is of little consequence. It seems as if the insurgents were able to destroy a large amount of American munitions with a single mortar round. Perhaps not a monumental defeat but certainly a huge source of encouragement for the Iraqi resistance.

author by Call Me Sceptical - SPpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 18:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This quote of Yours;

"The above list of some 400 casualties is the Official Casualty List from U.S. military hospital at al-Habbaniyah" - is disturbing on several levels.

Several questions arise

A- How is it that this list was Compiled?
B- How do we know it's accurate?
C-How do we Know it's Truthful?
D-How did You get it?
E- Why would the Hospital release such Information outside of DOD Channels?
F- Why hasnt the DOD Confirmed or Denied this List?
G- Why hasnt this List been Verified by outside sources?
H-Until it's verified it should be treated as Propaganda. common sense Journalism ethics say Verify before publishing

author by A10publication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 18:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Somthing you learn when you are in the military.Obviously somthing you have never been in,will be, or give a toss about like most people here.So that is why you have to be continously corrected about in your total ignorance of weaponary,otherwise you wouldnt belive some monumental crap posted here.Actually you woul;d think you anti war types would know somthing more detailed about the systems you blather on about.
Yeah,a huge source of encouragement for the Iraqui terrorists.Fire a bunch of mortar shells in the general direction of the camp and hope you hit somthing.
Anymore straw arguements?????
Still waiting for the monemuntal defat answer.

author by Yusufpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 19:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I appreciate your scepticism SP. We will have to wait another few weeks to get the numbers on this website:

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

As for how the names of the 400 wounded were released by hospital sources before the DoD had time to review them for names that could be denied is a matter for the US army. If I did know how the names were leaked, I certainly wouldnt help the US Army plug the leak. Put the above link in your favourites and watch the casualties, as released by the US military monthly, as well as the fatalities. I am sceptical about these figures myself as the US has been covering up as many casualties and fatalities as possible. Here are the monthly casualties until Sep06

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/woundedchart.aspx

DoD confirmed casualties

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx

I too am sceptical about these US figures. For instance, the Iraqi Administration spokesman who attended Falcon Base after the attack reported seeing scores of US dead but on the US casualty list only two appear for Oct 10/11. But of course they will lie now as they did about Viet Nam. As they always do. The depth of their defeat is evidenced by the depths to which they are stooping to suppress and discredit reports, such as this, about such monumental attacks. Long may the Iraqi Resistance stike them with such success.

author by Realisticpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 19:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Why wasnt the Enola Gay not knocked out in the Hiroshma blast?Technology back then did not have transistorised components.The radios had valves,etc,the planes engines were props and mechanically operated via carberutteors and magneto spark plugs.Nowadays this stuff is transistorised,everything from your watch toMilspec equipment.So if this was a blast of a nuke ALL the filming equipment,cellurs etc would have been knocked out.Irrespective wether it was a ground or air blast.Also the MOAB is air dropped,and not somthing left lying around a US army base.It is airforce equipment,so it should have been on a USAF base.Also looking at the pics you can see four bom bcraters that show a criss cross pattern of a multiple mortar hit.

author by A10publication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 19:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors


A No one really knows,it seems to be a hodgepodge of previous serving troops and fictious names that has been floating around for the last few weeks on various boards.

B We dont,
C We dont
D He got it off various islamist propaganda websites.
E It didnt,because the thousands of dead dont exist.
F Because there is nothing to confirm or deny,it couldnt be kept quiet.
G See answer F
H QED,it is propaganda.If somthing this big would have happened ,9days later this would be out and all over the world media.

author by anonpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 19:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I share your annoyance on this occasion A10 about the made claims of anything other then a dump explosion, but really we don't need your genius to debunk it for us, are you going to debunk santa with all your military knowledge too??

author by anonpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 20:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIO3xk5-tXM

It's from Kirkuk in 2004. I watched it not long after it was originally put up by Broughden in May & it's definitely not the Falcon Base fire in Baghdad.

author by A10publication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 20:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

You can track Santa every Dec24th on the NORAD website,so he must exist LOL.Well could you debunk this without knowing somthing on mil hardware?Everyone else would acept Yusef [Bagdad Bob in Limerick] raves as fact.

author by Wandapublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 22:19author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I'm glad to see someone who knows about these Bombs. A lot of what I see posted is just fear mongering. All it would take is someone to just take a breath, and think. If a Atomic Bomb, however small went off was supposed to have flattened this base, why do those pictures show many Buildings still standing? Shouldnt someone have detected abnormal radiation levels there? for Years we've been told of the radiation fallout from such blasts was easy to track. Now all of a sudden this wildly fabricated tale of a nuclear blast. even the al-jizzeera doesnt say that happened, & they are no friends of Bush by any means. A good point was brought up, why would a airplane bomb be stored at an army base? theres no airforce jets there, No reason to have it stored there. Yusuf, I dont believe your claims, I think your Imagining victories that are only in your mind. Isee nothing innthe world media, Irish, UK, European, or usa that even hints at a reliable story of this. I dont think your telling us the truth, I think your a Front for al-queda, a sort of Joseph Goerbbels of the Terrorists.

author by Yusufpublication date Sat Oct 28, 2006 15:44author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The video of the explosions at Forward base Falcon taken on the night of 10/11 Oct 2006 as posted here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIO3xk5-tXM

....is NOT fake as the "anon" creature of lies claims. This pathetic blind propagandist for the losing US Army claims it is from another attack in 2004. See how they try to delude you? You can ascertain this as an merican lie because the person who posted the video "Ammo dump" on 18 Oct 2006 on YouTube, username "billym99" from the USA, only joined YouTube in April 2004 as you will see if click on the name "billym99" to the right of the video. I worte to "billy99" and he confirmed this fact to me. The video was taken by US soldiers in Baghdad. What lies will the US apologists try nest? "72 virgins" for Shaheeds? The explosion never happened? The US dont have tactical nuclear warheads in Iraq? Or perhaps they would prefer we sideline into talking about Hiroshima? Such pathetic slitherings of a defeated army and it supporters.

Have a watch of this video of the US using chemical weapons on the civilians of Falluja and nothing these creeps do will shock you. Women, children and old people burned to the bone by illegal chemical weapons. White Phosperous and Napalm/M77. Yes, there are WMD's in Iraq, the ones the US brought. The Isareli army also used White Phosporous on Lebanese civilians in Lebanon this summer as they also suffered Defeat. White Phosperous, the chemical weapon of choice of losing armies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rff8aduPHg4

author by Kenneth Hechlerpublication date Sat Oct 28, 2006 16:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

the video from "Youtube?" you reference may be the right time, but re-inforces the point that a Nuclear bomb didnt explode there. Think on it, if as You've Claimed(Somewhat absurdly) that such a Bomb exploded the EMP(Electro- Magenetic Pulse) would have burned out the Circutry in the Camera, whether it was a Digital camera, CamCorder, what have you. Unless it was an Eyemo Wound up camera from the 1940's it would have been burned out by EMP. further no matter what you or I think white phosphorus is legally used by almost every military around the world, no one yet has been able to bring a successful prosecution anywhere for it's use. and your attempt to deflect from the wild claims you've made, doesnt help with a shady reputation at best for the truth.

author by Yusufpublication date Sat Oct 28, 2006 17:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Using White phosperous to illuminate the sky is one thing but using White phospherous and Napalm/M77 directly on humans is a war-crime. Yet another war-crime by US forces. This article in the Washigton Post makes good comments on this particular US war-crime. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2005/11/whi....html

Have you watched the video above on Youtube of the charred bodies of women and children in Falluja? You are saying this is normal army practice worldwide? You are justifying this?

So you now admit the above video footage of Falcon base exploding is true, I assume as you are again changing the subject, and that the list of US casualties is true but your dodge now is that the Tactical Nuclear bunker buster that exploded in Falcon would have given off a EMP that would take out a digital camera miles away. What pathetic US lies. Not at a couple of miles it wouldn't. But keep up your ludicrous attempts to discredit the story of the destruction of Falcon Base and the massive loss of life and casualties suffered by the defeated war-criminals of the US Army. You must not realise you are trying to delude intelligent Irish people here. We love your slitherings. Victory to Iraqi Resistance! May God guide their attacks on such as you.

author by Kenneth Hechlerpublication date Sat Oct 28, 2006 18:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors


White Phosphorus is not used for Illumination Purposes, it is used for Screening as it Produces a thick cloud of smoke & can be(and has been) used for Incendiary effect. It has been used by the USA, UK, German, French, Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, Japanese, Korean , Chinese, Cuban, Canadian, Armies among others.

is sticking a Bayonet in someones belly more humane?

EMP- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

I dont know whom your referring to but I never said the Falcon base wasnt attacked, so dont Obfuscate the issue at hand. You, sir are the one with ludicris claims.

there were photo's posted of the Ammo dump in question here earlier, if as you claim a Tactical Nuclear device(bomb) went off, surely the Connex Boxes for storage in the Dump would have all been melted, vaporized? You say the base was flattened the photos show two story buildings quite close to the ammo dump.

By the way the Davey crockett was used with a Recoilless rifle launcher in the 1960's the weapon you meant was the SADM with has a yield of 1 Kiloton , which if you had any idea of what your blathering on about has a significant yield.

You show No idea of the effects of such devices, your knowledge on them is laughable at best.

You seem to have all the crediblity of Hitlers minister of Prpaganda-Goebbels now be a good lad & slither off somewhere, as educated persons arent buying your bill of goods.

author by Yusufpublication date Sun Oct 29, 2006 02:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It is you who obfuscate by making it seem as though the US Army use of White Phosphorous in Falluja was legal. It was not. Other armies use it properly but not the Israeli and US criminals. Let me make clear your attempted obfuscation. The US army did not fire the White Phosphorous into the air to illuminate targets, as the bodies of the women and children, as well as eye witnesses, including US soldiers will attest. The Whote Phosphorous was fired directly at civilians resulting in very painful death for those civilians in it's path.

And what of the Napalm or as they call it now M77? are you defending it's use on civilians in Falluja? What other army in the world is using a variety of napalm except the brutal butchers of the US army. Even in their worst days the Black and Tans and Auxies never stooped to such mass murder or such inhuman behaviour. That you attempt to defend such war crimes is dispicable and beneath contempt.

I think you have some cheek comparing my publishing of the truth the US wants to hide with Hitlers propagandist. You, who defend war-criminals and try to nit-pick and twist the truth. Who do you think you are fooling?

You charge me that I know nothing about nuclear weapons and go on to claim the SADM "has a yield of 1 Kiloton". It is you who is blathering about the SADM, which is an old weapon of the 1960's has a yield of 0.01kilotons, as anyone with Google can find out. That's one hundredth of what you claim, in case you have as much trouble with decimals as you have with reasoning concepts or the concept of human rights. http://johnmtaylor.com/foe/sadm.htm As I said above the tactical nukes held at Falcon were of the GBU variety, aka bunker busters, not SADM

As for the alleged photos of Forward Operating Base Falcon after the attack published above: They are not indeed Camp Falcon. THEY ARE FAKES! Part of the Pentagons attempt to minimise the destructin of Falcon and it's casualties. Goebbles indeed! The fire front shown from 4.5 miiles away on Al-Jazeera would have been many times the area shown in the photos above. There is no burning to the walls as there would have been if this was the scene of the primary explosion. Foreign press observers noted “an endless parade” of military vehicle recovery units dragging burnt-out heavy tanks and armored personnel carriers to another base outside Baghdad. Where were the many tanks and Abrams that were seen being dragged away parked? Not anywhere in these fake pictures. Major General Bilal Ahmad al-‘Ithawi of the Iraqi army described the scene as "a burned out wasteland with not one building standing". He was obviously not describing this site. My guess is that this is either the site of a secondary explosion or another base entirely. Only a fool would believe these pictures represent the site of the fires and explosions we saw raging on Al-Jazeera TV. Only a fool would believe the US military that there were "no deaths and only two minor injuries". Only a fool like you! But dont expect to find too many of that type of fool visiting this site my dear apologist for the US armies war crimes.

Victory to Iraqi Resistance!

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~guyd/public/fob_falcon/2006...8.htm
Actual base with no resemblance to Rense pictures
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~guyd/public/fob_falcon/Goog...v.jpg

Another US base goe up in flames
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=141066059890471...og-sl
Casualty list
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~guyd/public/fob_falcon/clea...t.txt

author by Ermmpublication date Sun Oct 29, 2006 02:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Your incredibly gullible. Your photo of Camp Falcon, shows several interesting things;

To the one side a Large body of water- It's called the Caribbean

The Building marked "Air Haiti"? You've got to be kidding http://www.airhaitiexpress.com the airline has Two Stops- Port-Au-Prince and Miami Florida.

Your FOB Falcon is Port-Au-Prince, Hait during the time of the 1994? Invasion

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/haiti/hait...7.htm Dont believe me go to google earth typein Port-au-Prince international Airport

author by Kenneth Hechlerpublication date Sun Oct 29, 2006 02:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"It is you who obfuscate by making it seem as though the US Army use of White Phosphorous in Falluja was legal. It was not. Other armies use it properly but not the Israeli and US criminals. Let me make clear your attempted obfuscation. The US army did not fire the White Phosphorous into the air to illuminate targets, as the bodies of the women and children, as well as eye witnesses, including US soldiers will attest. The Whote Phosphorous was fired directly at civilians resulting in very painful death for those civilians in it's path." -(Hmmm.... well according to this artcle; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus

the first recorded use was by the Fenians in the 19th Century, then by the I.W.W. International Workers of the World.

WP is still not used for Illumination, it is an Obscurant, aka Smoke screen, anyone trying to use it to illuminate would find it has the opposite effect. Back to school for you . Nice try again, when called to the carpet you always change the topic, squirming like a piglet).

"And what of the Napalm or as they call it now M77? are you defending it's use on civilians in Falluja? What other army in the world is using a variety of napalm except the brutal butchers of the US army. "- (According to this article; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm the following countires either stock, or have used Napalm);

Argentina in 1982
Angola
Brazil
Cyprus
Greece
Iran
Iraq
Mexico
Nigeria
Norway
Russia
Serbia
Turkey

"Even in their worst days the Black and Tans and Auxies never stooped to such mass murder or such inhuman behaviour. That you attempt to defend such war crimes is dispicable and beneath contempt." -(Since Napalm wasnt invented until World War II the Black & Tans could hardly have used it. Your feckless attempt for sympathy there was laughable).

" As I said above the tactical nukes held at Falcon were of the GBU variety, aka bunker busters, not SADM"- (It's STILL not a NUCLEAR DEVICE),

author by Yusufpublication date Sun Oct 29, 2006 22:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Again Mr "US Army Lover" you are justifying the use of White Phosphorous and Napalm on Iraqi civilians. That is very disgusting. It is true that it was us Irish who formulated White Phosphorous but we never used "Fenian Fire" on civilians, like the US and Israel does. Protocal III of the United Nations Convention on Conventional Weapons does not outlaw the use of WP on military targets but the Convention most certainly does outlaw its use against civilians.

The US Army are war criminals. The Israeli army are war criminals. You, by justifying their crimes are at least an ass.

And still the US Forward Operating Base Falcon is destroyed, almost 400 of you precious war criminals are in hospital or dead from the deadly attack. Has your obfuscation changed that? No. But feel free to keep it up and so will we.

Victory to Iraqi Resistance.

author by Kenneth Hechlerpublication date Sun Oct 29, 2006 23:11author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I've no where said the use of Napalm, & White Phosphorus against Civilians was Justified, reading comprehension doesnt seem to be your suit is it?

I said how is it more Horrible than sticking a Bayonet into someones belly, Dead is Dead Laddy, theres no coming back.

Now You change the subject every time your suppositions are proved false.

Your Picture of FOB Falcon is actually Port-Au-Prince International Airport in Haiti during the time after the American Invasion.

Notice the Air Haiti markings on the Building roof. Air Haiti flys to 2 places, Haiti & Miami Florida, I've even given you a Link to the airline and a sattelite Photo which proves that. The Caribbean Ocean at the top left of your photo should have tipped you off to the fake, yet your blind hatred causes you to fail basic tests of Ethics and Common sense.

If anyone doesnt believe me please check it out on google earth. find the airport go to it's far end near the white buildings and then angle it to the same view as Yusufs photo. It is the SAME airfield. Yusuf is either a bad liar, or a fool(possibly both).

Your still claiming a Nuclear weapon exploded, it's been pointed out your wrong, yet You still make that Fatuous claim.

No EMP,

No Radioactive fallout,

NoPersons suffering from Radiation Poisoning

You claim that 300 were killed yet it's been pointed out to You Your list of names is false, (either with Non-Existant Soldiers or soldiers who currently are in the USA)

You claim a tremendous loss of ammunition, which has crippled the americans, if so why havent your vaunted resistance overrun them?

Surely the brave resistance should be able to kill Yank Soldiers who have No Ammo?

Your resistance seems to have No Problems Killing Schoolchildren in Iraq, Women, etc. why cant your "Brave resistants kill yanks without ammo?

Simple answer, was it wasnt a crippling strike, every base has it's own ASP Ammunition Supply Points and your lying.

The base is up and running, the tanks werent destroyed at all, and all you've accomplished (OTHER than wasting Bandwidth) is to show how laughable your Goebbels like propaganda is.

The question is why continue to spout such obviously proven lies?

is it your a Israeli Provacateur?

is it your so blinded by hatred you cant recognize a small incident, rather than a Major one?

is it that you've lied soo much you cant go back and admit it?

Your attempts at Nazi Goebbels propaganda is the most laughable I've seen in some time,

go away , you fraction of a man

author by Verifierpublication date Mon Oct 30, 2006 02:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

There were explosions at FOB Falcon that could be heard for miles and for hours. More US troops have been killed in Iraq this month than any month heretofore.

BBC have verified the explosions.

Whether you choose to belief the rest, depends on your prejudices. Truth is a victim of war, and it may take a while to come out. The fans of ITN journalists Terry Loyd will know that US military is no friend of truth or objective journalism - in the meantime, we glean our information from whatever sources there are. We can weigh them up without apologists for the 'Crazies' towing the official line and wasting bandwidth.

No-one seems to know what happened Gaby Rhado shortly after the invasion in 2003 (Channel 4 reporter who fell off a roof).

author by Kenneth Hechlerpublication date Mon Oct 30, 2006 03:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I dont think anyone denies the attack happened on FOB Falcon, or that the ASP exploded. What is is serious doubt is

Yusuf,

His Credibility,

His Suppositions

Please check his picture of the base in question, then compare it to google earth type views of Port-Au-Prince int. Airport.

There are Too many things that match, The Caribbean, the cluster of white roofed Buildings near the Road intersection, the runways, the roads layout.

The fact that he will not even acknowledge it shows his blind hatred rather than analytical thought process's.

He brings discredit on actual reports, and his jingoistic langauge reads like a poor novel

author by omgpublication date Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yusuf just got owned bit time for peddling totally false information, what else have you posted that is pure and utter BS Yusuf?

the sad thing is he probably believes it himself the deluded ol fellow

author by A10publication date Mon Oct 30, 2006 16:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

He lives in Limerick Ireland and is basically a super troll posing as a Muslim He gave his game away in one of his posts on the defilation of Afghan dead by German soliders.He stated that there is certain things he would like to do to a brave mans corpse.a det Sgt Gerry MacCabe,who was shot dead by IRA scumbags in a post office raid in limerick ten years ago.Now,we must ask ourselves why would a Alqueda lover be upset by a Irish SB man??Ten years ago there was no trouble between the Irish police and the Gardai,nor in all fairness to the Muslims is there much trouble from their people at all here.
It is only the local thugs,rabble rousers and gurriers that have a problem with them.So as far as I am concerned "Yusef" is just some little twit sitting in Limerick posing as a Mujahadeen spokesperson and is consistently making more and of a fool of himself,trying to belive that this monumental defeat has happened 14 days later still no one has made this newsworthy either.Apart from conspircy and Anti American nuts on the net.
He is consistently proven WRONG but either denies it or creates straw men arguements to avoid the questions;

HOW is this a monemuntal defeat.??NOT ANSWERD

It is then a nuke device..PROVE IT! DOES NOT answer how an A bomb does not knock out all radio comms,cell phones,digital cameras,watches etc etc,for at least ten miles minimum around FOB Falcon???

Straw arguement about WP.

Falls for a trap,denies that the Koran states that on entering paradise you as a warrior of Islam will recive 70 virgins.Claims it is 72 virgins and it is Zionist/US propaganda!!

DUBIOUS proofs of Youtube videos as FACT .
MOST of US Gis filming the base being hit.CLAIMS then that all cameras etc were confiscated and this hushed up.
HOW COME these videos are on Youtube then??

Then claims that the US,Russia and China are hushing this up in their media.As if the US could influence the Russian State controlled media or the Chinese state controlled media.Nor could the US govt control their own media to this,as this story would be leaked by the friends ,famillies,etc of these thousands of dead.
ALSO where are all the bodies being shipped back to the USA??

Pictures of base first off is supposedly showing Nuke explosion.Pic shows NOTHING of a traditional air or ground blast pattern.

UNVERIFIABLE quote from Iraqui source describeing thousands dead and hundreds of vechicles destroyed.

All in all Yusef is now about as creditable as "Bagdad Bob" the Iraqui propaganda minister under Saddam.
All in all Yusef you are a pathetic joke at this stage.Lets hear your next crackpot arguement Yusef!!!!

author by anonpublication date Mon Oct 30, 2006 19:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBMqTpDnitA same video uploaded in may http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIO3xk5-tXM
site ban yusuf

author by Dev from Dublinpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 04:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This Yusuf really seems to not have checked his sources very well, and doesnt seem to have a retort. Seemingly other than an attack happened none of his other information turned out to be true

author by Yusufpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 14:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors


I am a Muslim, Alhamdulila
I dont live in Limerick
I have not been "constantly proven wrong" by you. As anyone who reads this thread will see it is in fact the opposite. You have been constantly proven wrong.
There is no mention of the Zionist propagana about 72 virgins being promised to Shaheeds who carry out martyrdom operations. Supply proof or shut up. TH eQuran is online in English. Show is the place where it says "72 virgins for Shaheeds".
If you want to call the IRA in Limrick scumbags that is your business. I hope they track you down. From what I have read it was the McCabe guy who deserved that name.

Salaam Alaikum

Yusuf

author by Tonypublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 16:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It's a pity, but not a surprise, that this thread ignores the politics in favour of "technical" quibbles. I don't know the truth about the destruction of the US base, but the point is that as an anti-imperialist I celebrate any victory for the resistance.
And the question is - where do you people stand?

author by Ryanpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 16:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I dont stand to support those who behead people in baghdad, or blow themselves up among schoolchildren, if thats what YOU support then i suggest you have no morals at all.

author by omgpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 16:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

just post this under the hatred column or anti-imperialist so

why dress it up as antiwar, all you get is people cheering one side or the other

whats antiwar about glorifying/relishing the death of people?

author by Yusufpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 22:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Well, it's so interesting to see how the worms wriggle when they suffer such a monumental defeat as the complete destruction of their biggest base in the Green Zone and 400 casualties. The way they twist and attempt to muddy the waters. But entertaining too. If you cant win the war give up on the propaganda I reckon, but you are funny and maybe you will make this the longest thread ever on Indymedia. Go for it!

I'm still waiting to hear from the dipshit who reckons the Quran say martyrs get 72 virgins in heaven. C'mon, lets get a link to the actual words matie. There are many sites with the Quran in English online. Just give us one link to the lines that promise that. Or maybe you will admit it is just your usual Zionist propaganda. No, of course you wont. You will just change the name you post under and try throwing more groundless dirt.

author by iosafpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 23:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Irish ought be proud of their islamo-heritiage. Our nation gavew birth to & nurtured many Arabic & latterly Farsi scholars. Irish translators of semitic languages were forefront in the translation of the Rubiyat, Quran & sundry other mathematical works. The Irish capital city, Dublin doesn't really seem to boast its Chester Beaty collection musuem of Islamic art & fine prints anymore, but the pre-eminence of its collection is still un-challenged globally.

so...... like I was saying....... nice to have your attention..... been away a while..... but still lurking around the background.....

There is a problem with the "virgins" promised martyrs of God, be they martrys of the final psalms of the Jewish Talmud ( or Psalms ) or the generally accepted ( & canonised ) saints of Christian tradition {catholic, orthodox or wacky yankee Xian}.

And that problem is the translation..,

It is very probably, ((( most likely indeed ))) that the word virgin [[[ fnord ]]] as quoted in many renditions of both Quran & Hadith is in fact one of the plethora of words for "white raisons"



I suppose that will come as a disappointment equally to those poor buggers who sacrifice themselves for extremist Islamic groups such as Al Qaeda as well as those poor rightwing extremists of the Western outlook who like to think people blow themselves up for something as cheap as virgins (be they a dozen, gross or thousand).

'Coz quite simply the original word meant "white raison".
Granted white raisons are something of a delicacy...,

..,
..,
succulent ones at that.............but you'd want more than a gift wrap dozen, gross, 67 or a thousand to keep you going.

seems as apt now as years ago
seems as apt now as years ago

author by Kenneth Hechlerpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 23:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

First of all the base isnt in the greenzone or IZ as it's called .

Secondly as these photo's show the base was Hardly destroyed, the ASP was but even a twit like you will eventually realize the base wasnt flattened.

Now you claim 400 casualties?, funny three days ago you claimed 300, suddenly theres a Hundred more? your lies become ever more unbelieveable

FOB FALCON ASP View #1
FOB FALCON ASP View #1

FOB FALCON ASP View #2
FOB FALCON ASP View #2

author by Kenneth Hechlerpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 23:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yusuf's FOB Falcon, Anyone ever see Iraq that green? Hint; It's actually Port-Au-Prince Haiti, the international Airport specifically

Yusuf's Fob Falcon, note the caribbean to the top, & the Air Haiti at the bottom
Yusuf's Fob Falcon, note the caribbean to the top, & the Air Haiti at the bottom

author by Fauziapublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 23:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I am not Zionist. Nor am I Jewish.

Koran sura 56 verses 12- 3 "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand"

In the Hadith also, 72 virgins are referred to.

Not Zionist propoganda!

author by Jayzhuspublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 23:39author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Why oh Why would you want a virgin when you are dead? The tools don't work- because you are
dead. fin. unless its for the dead virginal conversations on a happy cloud.

Also are they re-virginised as the text suggests?

Back to the germ of all religions then , don't fuck=perfection.

Ye cannae eat Raisins either.

author by Yusufpublication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 03:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thank's for that Fauzia. Now could you give me the verses that tell the martyr that he will receive 72 virgins when he reaches paradise. That is what you guys keep talking about so could you give me the reference please. I am only an ordinary Muslim but I know the above verses explain the happiness for all true believers in Jinna or heaven. It no place mentions Shaheeds or Martyrs. It no place mentions the number 72. Where do the Zionists keep coming up with all this fantasy and indeed outright lies? Why do you repeat it, if you don't know what your talking about? Why lie about the Qur'an?

So please now Fauzia, do tell me what verses of the Quran promise 72 virgins to Shaheeds. Don't bother with any more general verses about what all believers will experience. Just back up your claims of your mouth. And since you keep making vague allegations that such references to 72 virgins are also in the Hadiths of the Prophet, peace be upon him, could you please also supply the relevant references. I await you to back up your outlandish claims, which I know you can't. Until then you are only a liar in my book and that is forever until the last day. You are lying about the word of God and this is very serious for you, you should know. You really should stop for your own sake.

Only Sick Zionists and others with a material centric view would even want virgins or any such nonesense when they die. What utter nonesense.

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/circus.html

Victory to Iraqi Resistance

author by Yusufpublication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 04:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Looks like the word is out. I see why the Pentagon is setting up a new propaganda office.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4297464.html

Blast in Green Zone 10/11
http://forum.newshounds.us/viewtopic.php?t=11476&sid=a0...49208

"Over 300 American troops, including U.S. Army and Marines, CIA agents and U.S. translators were casualties and there also were 165 seriously injured requiring major medical attention and 39 suffering lesser injuries 122 members of the Iraqi armed forces were killed and 90 seriously injured members of same, were also evacuated to the U.S. military hospital at al-Habbaniyah located some 70km west of Baghdad."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/10/22/iraq-news-all-....html
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/53584.php
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B356CA3BC-727...8D%7D)&language=EN
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=146165

MORE THAN 400 US-CASUALTIES IN CAMP FALCON!
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes...94818

"Explosions rock 'Green Zone' inside Baghdad"
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Explosions_rock_'Green_Zone'_inside_Baghdad
http://peacegarden.blogspot.com/2006/10/falcon-forward-....html
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta330.htm
http://rebellenation.blogspot.com/2006/10/iraqi-resista....html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/10/347870.shtml
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php...base_
http://www.matrixmasters.com/blog/2006/10/camp-falcon-a....html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...74640
www.nogw.com/download/2006_green_zone_follies.pdf
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=2814749...21508
http://www.albasrah.net/pages/mod.php?mod=art&lapage=.....6.htm
http://piglipstick.blogspot.com/2006/10/news-blackout-o....html

author by mikeypublication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 04:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yusuf you collossal twit, Forward Operating Base FALCON is NOT in the GREEN ZONE in Baghdad.

Falcon is the former Rasheed Airbase located approximately 11 kilometers Southeast of downtown Baghdad. The airbase is served by a 8,300 foot long runway. According to the "Gulf War Air Power Survey, there were 10 hardened aircraft shelters at Rasheed of 1991.

The Al-Rashid Military Camp [also known as Al-Rasheed, Al Rasedia, Al Rasheida, or Al Rashedia] is located on the southern outskirts of Baghdad.

Iraqi Military Intelligence [Al-Istikhbarat al-Askariyya] Military Brigade stationed there included a rapid intervention battalion to respond to security threats in the Baghdad region. Although the main headquarters complex in the Aladhamia area of Baghdad included a prison and interrogation center in addition to a variety of support facilities, Istikhbarat also had a facility at Al Rashid camp in Baghdad.

By early 1998 the 6th Special Republican Guard Battalion, stationed at al-Rashid barracks, was charged with responsibility to seal off the Shi'i "Saddam City" quarter and bombard it indiscriminately in case of mass revolt, as the Guard did in Najaf and Karbala in 1991.

By April 2002 anti-aircraft guns had been installed over most of Baghdad high-rises including buildings housing the ministries of foreign affairs, interior, planning and state-run radio and television. The move was part of a large-scale mobilisation of the armed forces undertaken recently in anticipation of a possible US military strike. The government moved several units outside Al-Rasheed military camp.

A multi-story underground detention and torture center reportedly was built under the general military hospital building close to the Al-Rashid military camp. The Center for Human Rights of the Iraqi Communist Party stated that the complex included torture and execution chambers. A section reportedly was reserved for prisoners in a "frozen" state--that is, those whose status, fate, or whereabouts were not disclosed

-not everything is in the Greenzone, your ass buddies in the resistance would know that

author by Tonypublication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors

In reply to my queston "where do you people stand/" Ryan says:
"I [ that is Ryan] dont stand to support those who behead people in baghdad, or blow themselves up among schoolchildren, if thats what YOU support then i suggest you have no morals at all.
It's amazing how interested Islamophobes are in gruesome details of death - although only if the killings are carried out in a very "personal" way - in other words as one individual to another.
However when the killing is carried out with all the "benefits" of advanced technology, such as sophisticated missiles, "smart bombs", high-tech arms in general Islamophobes somehow don't seem to notice.
Ryan claims he doesn't support those who behead. Does he imagine that people aren't beheaded by high-tech weaponry? Does he imagine that children aren't killed by sophisticated missiles?
The armaments of the opressed will always be relatively unsophisticated. Surely, Ryan, you don't claim that is sufficient reason to support the far more effective killing machines of the US?
Then there is the immense disparity in numbers killed. The US etc invasion is responsible for immense numbers of deaths.
I don't think their bombs, however "smart" miraculously spare children, even making the far-fetched assumption that the invaders even care.
I have no morals, Ryan? Certainly I don't have those of the imperialist armies, nor it seems do I have your morals. The moraility of us anti-imperialists is far superior.

author by Yusufpublication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 19:13author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Still waiting for the references to the verses in the Quran about 72 virgins being promised to Martyrs from the liars who claim such nonesense. You guys talk a lot of rubbish but again I challenge you to produce even one shread of evidence of such a base Zionist lie. So come on "A10" "Fauzia" and all you nom-de-plumes of what we will call Zionism, for conveience.

But perhaps I am being unkind to you and you are simply fools who have been duped by the Zionists into believing such rubbish. Which are you? Racist Zionists or fools? Either way, evidence or apology.

author by A10publication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 22:17author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Ok Yusef
You provide CREDITABLE evidence,and an explanation
of the monumental defeat of US forces,t
hat it WAS a tactical nuke in FOB Falcon,creditable evidence of all your other wild claims.Not Yougoo,or any other unbeliveable nonsense.
Trouble is you cant provide ONE piece of creditable evidence.Yet in the Koran it is there for you to read.Everything is zionist propaganda that does not fit your world view. So apologies or evidence yourself. Go on outta that.
Alhamdulia to you too.[Whatever that means]

author by Yusufpublication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 23:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sorry, did you say where in the Quran the appropriate verses are that support your allegation Martyrs are promised 72 virgins? I heard you say the proof is in there so let's have it. Come on, just dont talk rubbish back it up you liar.

If you don't call a one billion dollar strike on a heavily fortified base a monumental defeat, well then I guess that's just your Pro-Zionist opinion and your entitled to it. I do. Q.E.D. I'm not the only one who thinks the flash and mushroom cloud seen on Al jazeera is a tactical nuke. The US military hasn't denied it y'know. Q.E.D.

So now, your Quranic proof for the vile allegation Martyrs are promised 72 virgins in Heaven. No more clap trap, lets go. The proof. Can you supply it or are you just a shite talker? (That's actually a rhetorical question - I know the answer)

author by Fauziapublication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 23:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

So everyone who does not agree with you is a Zionist or a racist? I can confirm that I am neither. However, I can confirm that in the Holy Koran there are references to virgins. As said earlier by me, these virgins are not specified in number in the Koran. Nor are they said to be only for the Shaheed.

Here is the quote in the Koran, again.

Sura 56 verses 12 -- 39 "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine, (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls, a guerdon for their deeds. We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand"

In the Hadith the number of virgins is specified. This Hadith is long accepted to be genuine.

In the Hadith (Islamic Traditions) collected by Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunan (Volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah, Prophet Mohammed, chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise, (Hadith 2687). The same Hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72 "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah to Sana'a."

Why don't you pose a question to an Islamic scholar if you think this is false? Again, I am not a Zionist, Jew or fool. It is you who are a fool as you depict yourself as some kind of web warrior on behalf of Al Quaeda.

author by Ciaron L.publication date Wed Nov 01, 2006 23:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"I'm not the only one who thinks the flash and mushroom cloud seen on Al jazeera is a tactical nuke. The US military hasn't denied it y'know." - I once saw a Flying Fish, that doesnt make it a Bird,

how about post a radiological reading from the greenzone?

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