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Michael Moore on the U.S. Military Being In Iraq Longer than they were in WW2

category international | anti-war / imperialism | other press author Tuesday November 28, 2006 06:05author by mm Report this post to the editors

Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do

Sunday, November 26th, 2006

Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do

Sunday, November 26th, 2006

Friends,

Tomorrow marks the day that we will have been in Iraq longer than we were in all of World War II.

That's right. We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.

And we haven't even done THAT. After 1,347 days, in the same time it took us to took us to sweep across North Africa, storm the beaches of Italy, conquer the South Pacific, and liberate all of Western Europe, we cannot, after over 3 and 1/2 years, even take over a single highway and protect ourselves from a homemade device of two tin cans placed in a pothole. No wonder the cab fare from the airport into Baghdad is now running around $35,000 for the 25-minute ride. And that doesn't even include a friggin' helmet.

Is this utter failure the fault of our troops? Hardly. That's because no amount of troops or choppers or democracy shot out of the barrel of a gun is ever going to "win" the war in Iraq. It is a lost war, lost because it never had a right to be won, lost because it was started by men who have never been to war, men who hide behind others sent to fight and die.

Let's listen to what the Iraqi people are saying, according to a recent poll conducted by the University of Maryland:

** 71% of all Iraqis now want the U.S. out of Iraq.

** 61% of all Iraqis SUPPORT insurgent attacks on U.S. troops.

Yes, the vast majority of Iraqi citizens believe that our soldiers should be killed and maimed! So what the hell are we still doing there? Talk about not getting the hint.

There are many ways to liberate a country. Usually the residents of that country rise up and liberate themselves. That's how we did it. You can also do it through nonviolent, mass civil disobedience. That's how India did it. You can get the world to boycott a regime until they are so ostracized they capitulate. That's how South Africa did it. Or you can just wait them out and, sooner or later, the king's legions simply leave (sometimes just because they're too cold). That's how Canada did it.

The one way that DOESN'T work is to invade a country and tell the people, "We are here to liberate you!" -- when they have done NOTHING to liberate themselves. Where were all the suicide bombers when Saddam was oppressing them? Where were the insurgents planting bombs along the roadside as the evildoer Saddam's convoy passed them by? I guess ol' Saddam was a cruel despot -- but not cruel enough for thousands to risk their necks. "Oh no, Mike, they couldn't do that! Saddam would have had them killed!" Really? You don't think King George had any of the colonial insurgents killed? You don't think Patrick Henry or Tom Paine were afraid? That didn't stop them. When tens of thousands aren't willing to shed their own blood to remove a dictator, that should be the first clue that they aren't going to be willing participants when you decide you're going to do the liberating for them.

A country can HELP another people overthrow a tyrant (that's what the French did for us in our revolution), but after you help them, you leave. Immediately. The French didn't stay and tell us how to set up our government. They didn't say, "we're not leaving because we want your natural resources." They left us to our own devices and it took us six years before we had an election. And then we had a bloody civil war. That's what happens, and history is full of these examples. The French didn't say, "Oh, we better stay in America, otherwise they're going to kill each other over that slavery issue!"

The only way a war of liberation has a chance of succeeding is if the oppressed people being liberated have their own citizens behind them -- and a group of Washingtons, Jeffersons, Franklins, Ghandis and Mandellas leading them. Where are these beacons of liberty in Iraq? This is a joke and it's been a joke since the beginning. Yes, the joke's been on us, but with 655,000 Iraqis now dead as a result of our invasion (source: Johns Hopkins University), I guess the cruel joke is on them. At least they've been liberated, permanently.

So I don't want to hear another word about sending more troops (wake up, America, John McCain is bonkers), or "redeploying" them, or waiting four months to begin the "phase-out." There is only one solution and it is this: Leave. Now. Start tonight. Get out of there as fast as we can. As much as people of good heart and conscience don't want to believe this, as much as it kills us to accept defeat, there is nothing we can do to undo the damage we have done. What's happened has happened. If you were to drive drunk down the road and you killed a child, there would be nothing you could do to bring that child back to life. If you invade and destroy a country, plunging it into a civil war, there isn't much you can do 'til the smoke settles and blood is mopped up. Then maybe you can atone for the atrocity you have committed and help the living come back to a better life.

The Soviet Union got out of Afghanistan in 36 weeks. They did so and suffered hardly any losses as they left. They realized the mistake they had made and removed their troops. A civil war ensued. The bad guys won. Later, we overthrew the bad guys and everybody lived happily ever after. See! It all works out in the end!

The responsibility to end this war now falls upon the Democrats. Congress controls the purse strings and the Constitution says only Congress can declare war. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi now hold the power to put an end to this madness. Failure to do so will bring the wrath of the voters. We aren't kidding around, Democrats, and if you don't believe us, just go ahead and continue this war another month. We will fight you harder than we did the Republicans. The opening page of my website has a photo of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, each made up by a collage of photos of the American soldiers who have died in Bush's War. But it is now about to become the Bush/Democratic Party War unless swift action is taken.

This is what we demand:

1. Bring the troops home now. Not six months from now. NOW. Quit looking for a way to win. We can't win. We've lost. Sometimes you lose. This is one of those times. Be brave and admit it.

2. Apologize to our soldiers and make amends. Tell them we are sorry they were used to fight a war that had NOTHING to do with our national security. We must commit to taking care of them so that they suffer as little as possible. The mentally and physically maimed must get the best care and significant financial compensation. The families of the deceased deserve the biggest apology and they must be taken care of for the rest of their lives.

3. We must atone for the atrocity we have perpetuated on the people of Iraq. There are few evils worse than waging a war based on a lie, invading another country because you want what they have buried under the ground. Now many more will die. Their blood is on our hands, regardless for whom we voted. If you pay taxes, you have contributed to the three billion dollars a week now being spent to drive Iraq into the hellhole it's become. When the civil war is over, we will have to help rebuild Iraq. We can receive no redemption until we have atoned.

In closing, there is one final thing I know. We Americans are better than what has been done in our name. A majority of us were upset and angry after 9/11 and we lost our minds. We didn't think straight and we never looked at a map. Because we are kept stupid through our pathetic education system and our lazy media, we knew nothing of history. We didn't know that WE were the ones funding and arming Saddam for many years, including those when he massacred the Kurds. He was our guy. We didn't know what a Sunni or a Shiite was, never even heard the words. Eighty percent of our young adults (according to National Geographic) were not able to find Iraq on the map. Our leaders played off our stupidity, manipulated us with lies, and scared us to death.

But at our core we are a good people. We may be slow learners, but that "Mission Accomplished" banner struck us as odd, and soon we began to ask some questions. Then we began to get smart. By this past November 7th, we got mad and tried to right our wrongs. The majority now know the truth. The majority now feel a deep sadness and guilt and a hope that somehow we can make make it all right again.

Unfortunately, we can't. So we will accept the consequences of our actions and do our best to be there should the Iraqi people ever dare to seek our help in the future. We ask for their forgiveness.

We demand the Democrats listen to us and get out of Iraq now.

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
mmflint@aol.com

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author by redjadepublication date Wed Nov 29, 2006 00:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors


It was Condi Rice and other Bushies that first made the WWII-Iraq War comparison, not Michael Moore.

watch: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/28/colbert-catche...tivo/

author by Blackstrappublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 22:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I generally agree with Mr. Moore's views regarding the tragic Iraq War, i.e. you can't liberate those who don't try to liberate themselves, we should get out since we're sitting ducks for the insurgents, it seems like there's really no military objective now, Bush's "stay the course until we're victorious" strategy is undefined. There was never a threat to us from Iraq and there was no need to pre-emptively attack (I worked in the Intel community until 2005). However, when he compares the relative brevity of WWII to the Iraq War's duration, I think he does so unfairly. During WWII we bombed/destroyed civilian targets as well as military targets. We firebombed numerous Japanese cities killing hundreds of thousands in just a few days; my mother who was a teenager in Japan during WWII told me stories of running for shelters during US bombing raids. Our military and civilian leaders were not considered war criminals because the victors write the rules and the history. I think that if our "shock & awe" attack did not spare civilian lives and obliterated numerous cities and their civilian populations, much like our bombing campaigns in WWII did, the Iraq War would be completely different. Of course, there would be protests because post-Geneva we try to protect civilians from warfare. I'm from the old school that espouses total warfare on a population, but I also think that the US should never go to war unless the members of Congress and the Executive branch volunteer their adult children to enlist and the entire nation shifts into war production and rationing, i.e. when we are completely justifed to do so and our population (as well as the people of several other nations) supports it.

author by tomeilepublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 19:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What is it about Michael Moore that makes him end an otherwise good statement with an overture to the Democratic Party ? The Democrats are more likely to increase the US presence in Iraq than withdraw troops . It's a big business party which puts American strategic interests above anything else - certainly above the anti-war sentiments of the people who voted for it last month .

author by MichaelY - iawmpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 17:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

European countries knew about U.S. secret jails for terrorism suspects and have obstructed an investigation into the transport and illegal detention of prisoners, a draft European Parliament report said earlier today. The report by a European Parliament committee criticized a string of top EU officials including foreign policy chief Javier Solana and counter-terrorism coordinator Gijs de Vries, and complained of lack of cooperation from nearly all member states.

It accused the former head of Italy's SISMI intelligence service of "concealing the truth" when he told the committee that Italian agents played no part in the CIA kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric in 2003. On the contrary, SISMI officials played an active role in the abduction of Abu Omar, and the CIA kept Italian authorities informed on his later detention in Egypt, the report said. It said Abu Omar had been "held incommunicado and tortured ever since."

The document echoed charges from the Council of Europe human rights body that European states were complicit in U.S. abuses during the war on terrorism. It said records, from a confidential source, of a European Union and NATO meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice last December confirmed that "member states had knowledge of the (U.S.) program of extraordinary renditions and secret prisons."

The United States has acknowledged using renditions, or secret transfers of suspects between countries, and Bush confirmed in September that the CIA had held high-level terrorism suspects at secret overseas locations. The EU and Council of Europe inquiries were launched partly in response to press reports that the United States ran such prisons in Poland and Romania.

The report complained of lack of cooperation from the Polish government and regretted Romania's "lack of willingness to investigate in depth."

Among other criticisms in the draft report:

-- It was "totally unacceptable" that the EU Council first hid, then provided only partial information on regular discussions with senior U.S. administration officials.

-- Solana's evidence to the committee contained "omissions and denials" which prompted deep concern.

-- De Vries's evidence lacked credibility and the committee questioned the point of his counter-terrorism coordinator role.

-- The committee was frustrated that neither Europol criminal intelligence boss Max-Peter Ratzel nor NATO chief Jaap de Hoop Scheffer had agreed to speak to it.

-- It "deplored" poor cooperation from Britain, as represented before the committee by Europe Minister Geoff Hoon.

The draft report expressed deep concern that temporary secret detention facilities in European countries might have been located in U.S. military bases, and said states hosting such bases needed to exercise greater control.

author by Michael - iawmpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:24author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Bush says there is no civil war going on - it's al Al-Qaeda's fault!!

Tears and more tears
Tears and more tears

author by Caobhinpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The only reason that there is chaos in the ME is because of the presence of US and lackey troops there. Check out post 1945 history - behind almost every bloodbath you'll find the not-so-benign hand of the septic.

author by Righteous Pragmatistpublication date Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:28author address author phone Report this post to the editors

America fought in WW2 from December 1941 to September 1945.
Germany was defeated by the Allies in May 1945 but had the Germany's western Ardennes counter attack in December 1944 succeeded it might have given the Nazis the breathing space to hold back the Russians for another 12 months.
America defeated Japan when they dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
But if the Japanese had refused to surrender the US planned to invade Japan and might have had some competition from the Soviets.
The war might well have dragged on into 1946 or 1947 may be even into the 1950's.

Before WW2 very few Americans would have known where to find Corregidor, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, St. Lo, Bastogne or the Elbe River on a map. By the end of that terrible conflict they did.

If America were to withdraw from Iraq, the horrific disorder in the country may well spread to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Iran and Egypt and the terrorism witnessed in London and Madrid will pale in comparison to the violence that extremist Muslims in the European Union who would be encouraged to use to terrorise demonstrably weak pacifist establishments.

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