Irish Nazi TellsPeople to Kill Taoiseach

by Steve Thu Jul 18, 2002 22:05

The neo nazis should be opposed at all levels. Advocates of "free speech" for fascists would get a rather unpleasant surprise if the fascists ever came to power. They murdered millions in a racially motivated genocide, they murdered people who were mentally and/or physically handicapped.
Such "people" and their policies must not be given any opportunity to build their base. Millions of innocent people who were murdered should stand as a stark lesson to us all. NO FREE SPEECH FOR FASCISTS!!!!

by Bongo bongo. Thu Jul 18, 2002 22:08

What a non-story.
Some unknown racist in another country says on a racist chatroom to kill bertie.

Bertie should be removed from office and tried for many things, (treason, lying to the people, PfP and many scandals too numerous to mention).

But we voted out the death penalty, so treason no longer means a rope for Bertie. A 20yr stretch in Portlaoise would be more suitable.

by Malcolm Little Fri Jul 19, 2002 02:17

Nazis should not be aloud to organize, Hitler once boasted that the only thing which could have stopped his party was if his enemies had recognised what they were early on and crushed them at infancy. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. However, on the issue of shooting Bertie, the time will come( incase you don't know that time is the workers revolution)when Bertie and many like hime will have to be shot, why so as a new society can be born purged of the infectious presence of an ever ready beurgoise who would destroy it.

All power to the people!

by King Mob Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:36

ALL FASCISTS MUST WEAR BALL GAGS AND BEEN BEATEN REPEATADLY IF THEY WANDER OUT THE DOOR.

God you people have no grasp of Irony do you? We shouldn't allow fascists to meet, speak or have any democractic right.

Violently suppressing fascists is fascism. Using their own tactics againist them makes you no better than them, and suppressed political groups of a extreme nature often helps them bloom when they gain sympathy being seen as martyrs.

Spare me the retoric, and your arguments, when you tell me "that I don't understand what they're capable of". Ask yourself this, how are you going to stop them from meeting, or speaking. Violently breaking up their meeting? Burning their books? Arresting or kidnapping their leaders? Legislating so they can't speak or meet?

And whats to stop those laws from being abused?

KM

by Mark - SP Fri Jul 19, 2002 14:26

These are just segments of a discussion I was having with a friend via e-mail on the subject.
"Fascists want to destroy everyone elses freedom of
speech. Look what allowing them freedom of speech did
in Germany. Should we just wait untill they are big
enough to ban all other political parties, deport
and/or threaten the lives of all foreign nationals and
put left wing activists and trade unionists in jail
before we begin to fight them? As a left wing
activist, the rise of the far right frightens me. I
know that after the foreigners, their next targets are
the Socialists and trade unionists. Then they won't
only be using offensive words against us, they will be
using fists, sticks, guns and bombs.
With freedom of speech comes responsibility. That
right is subservient to the right of people to live in
a hate free world."

"There is no moral basis for freedom of speech to have
precedence over other rights. Even under bourgeois law
incitement to hatred of the type used in fascist
propaganda is prohibited. I'm sure you are aware of
dignity and respect in the workplace laws.
Defending fascists' freedom of speech is the type of
fluffy liberal nonsense that was a precurser to the
darkest period in human history. We cannot afford to
make the same mistake twice. Do you think that the
right to freedom of speech is a higher right than the
right of people not to be intimidated, abused and
burned out of their houses? Do you think it extends
beyond the right for an ethnic group not to be treated
like livestock and then put to death en-masse. If you
do agree that fascists should be alowed freedom of
speech, then logically you must agree with the right
of paedophiles to have sick websites depicting young
children involved in sexual acts; I'm sure you don't
agree with that and therefore logically you must agree
that there are limits and responsibilities attached to
freedom of speach. The most important important
responsibility is to safegaurd that right against
those who would take it away from the vast majority of
us ie. Fascists."

by Brian Purcell Fri Jul 19, 2002 14:51 purcellbm at yahoo dot com

As Rosa Luxemburg said, "Freedom is How Free Your Opponent Is."

by Dave Fri Jul 19, 2002 22:52

You should repeat that comment from Rosa (out of context) to the millions of victims of the fascists, if they were still alive they would be really knocked out.