Galway Protests Against Israeli War Crimes and EU Complicity

by TD - FPC Mon Nov 17, 2008 19:36

Oops! Forgot to identify Dr. Ray Murphy (photo 5, previous batch) Senior Lecturer in Law at the Irish Centre for Human Rights, National University of Galway, Ireland.

Sahar Francis on left with Noam Lubell and Dr. Kathleen Cavanaugh of the ICHR

by Jim Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:37

The continual indiscriminate sniper, mortar, rocket and suicide attacks on civilian Israelis by Palestinian armed groups is maintaining the Israeli encirclement of Gaza and the dire humanitarian situation. Israeli public frustration has given the Israeli military the green light to use repressive measures against Gaza and is perpetuating the cycle of violence.
Pointless and hopelessly one sided denunciation of Israeli by the political left is not helping because it both alienates Israeli public opinion and encourages Palestinian extremists that their tactics are working.
This futile conflict will persist as long as the left is hoplessly biased against Israel and uncritical of savage Palestinian terrorism against Israeli citizens and the political and religious oppression of Palestinians civilians by Palestinian armed groups who are funded and financed by Arab regimes who want to conquer Israel.

by mf Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:10

So Israeli popular frustration is maintaining the collective punishment of the Palestinians, specificaly the denial of basic aid to an entire population, the economic shackling and impoverishment of a population, their effective imprisonment in a tiny strip of land and their daily subjection to assault and abuse by extremist illegal settlers whilst one of the most well equipped armies in the world maintains a constant trickle of bombardment and assualt? I've lived and worked in Israel, believe me life is good there, their 'frustrations' are not what maintains this conflict, the almost universal israeli racism towards arabs which you encounter every single day is however a major factor.
Wthh their military strength, the maintenance of colonial expansion via the settlements and the fact that all israelis serve in the army this racism is one that is actively implemented, and hence has infinitely more impact than the anti-semitism which endures in the world today; the semitic peoples who suffer most are clearly the Palestinians. Daily life for the vast majority of israelis is most certainly not an experience of daily bombing, much less occupation nor deprivation. Finally the idiocy of the comments from the gentleman from watford do not deserve comment, however perhaps he should condemn the 'anti-semitic' rabbis who go to help defend the palistinian olive groves from settler assaults, the israeli army refuseniks and the huge numbers of ethical jewish peoples throughout the world who are to the fore of the condemnation of the vicious colonial state that is israel.

by Felix Quigley Tue Nov 18, 2008 15:32

But there is an opposite narrative which is founded in facts not lies.

That is that there is an abiding Jew Hatred among the Arabs, and the Arab ordinary people will never be free without confronting this Jew Hatred.

It was even noticed in 1854 in the visit which Karl Marx made to Jerusalem

[Quote from Marx starts here]

“The Mussulmans, forming about a fourth part of the whole, and consisting of Turks, Arabs and Moors, are, of course, the masters in every respect, as they are in no way affected with the weakness of their Government at Constantinople. Nothing equals the misery and suffering of the Jews at Jerusalem, inhabiting the most filthy quarter of the town, called hareth-el-yahoud, this quarter of dirt between Mount Zion and Mount Moriah, where their synagogues are situated - the constant objects of Mussulman oppression and intolerance, insulted by the Greeks, persecuted by the Latins and living only upon the scanty alms transmitted by their European brethren. The Jews, however, are not natives, but from distant and different countries, and are only attracted to Jerusalem by the desire of inhabiting the Valley of Jehosophat and to die in the very places where their Redemptor is to be expected.

‘Attending their death,‘ says a French author, ‘they suffer and pray. Their regards turned to that mountain of Moriah, where once rose the temple of Solomon, and which they dare not approach, they shed tears on the misfortunes of Zion, and their dispersion over the world.‘”[2]

[Quote from Marx ends here]

http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/in-1954-...alem/

So there is a real history here which needs to be explored. That was in 1854 but move on through the 1920 period when The Mufti encouraged by the antisemites in the British Army began to mobilize against Jews, on through the close links between Arab leaders and the Nazis in the 30s...the beginning of a new narrative can be seen emerging. But some will remain blinded by Israel (Jew) hatred.

by Ron Tue Nov 18, 2008 16:33

Your fisrt picture looks like lots of Photoshop.

by mf Wed Nov 19, 2008 01:29

Out of the appalling blood-soaked history of anti-semitism it is strange that you should highlight such relatively minor incidents as Marx''s observations on the conditions of the jews of jerusalem which could have equally described the conditions of any number of minorities throughout the world at the time. Similarly the grand mufti's fllirtation with the nazis mirrors our own William Joyce, or several of the British aristocracy but these are footnotes to the history of anti-semitism. We europeans were the ones who slaughtered the Jews in the second world war, whilst the allies refused to prioritise military actions which may have halted the slaughter. Does the history of Arab anti-semitism approach the horrors of that in Europe or Russia?

As a european it is frankly bizarre to comment that 'Arabs can not be free' until they confront their history of anti-semitism. Are we free because we confronted ours? Do the tyrannies which blight the Arab world arise from their anti-semitism? And please explain why the state of Israel's staunchest and most incisive critics are predominantly Jewish ( renowned anti-semites, such as Amos Oz, Chomsky, Finkelstein , Kovel etc. etc.) is their popularity a clever ploy on the part of anti-semites throughout the world to pretend they are not anti-semites, do they really hate these people too along with the Israeli army refuseniks and activivists they pretend to support so enthusiastically?I think 'narratives based in reality' are not your strong point.

by ank Wed Nov 19, 2008 06:54

The rocket firing is not in response to Israeli "occupation". There IS no occupation of Gaza. Now let's get things straight.

Israel occupied Gaza until 2006. In 2006 Israel withdrew its troops and settlers entirely from Gaza, leaving behind an agricultural infrastructure (greenhouses, fields) plus public buildings (synagogues, schools, clinics) which could have been used for any public use or even private housing.

Immediately after the withdrawal (when I say immediately, I mean within the hour) rocket fire towards Israel - not settlements, just simple Israeli towns like Sderot - ensued and has more or less continued until today.

In response (not retaliation, but self-defense) Israel closed the border between itself and Gaza. The longer the rocket fire, the longer the closure, the longer the siege.

Now do you get a correlation?

No rockets - yes food
Yes rockets - no food.

Even a child can learn that equation.

Furthermore if the Hamas government has so much money to spare that it can build rockets and buy guns and ammunition, there is SURELY enough money to buy food for its citizens. Obviously it prefers killing another nation's citizens to providing for its own citizens. It's a twofer! Kill Jews and make propaganda against them, all in one operation. A terrorist's dream.

by Felix Quigley Wed Nov 19, 2008 09:04

If you say it was a "flirtation" perhaps you could tell the readers of this site just what was the role of the Mufti in the Holocaust? A minor role? A major role? Be as factual as you can because this is a very serious issue.

by mf Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:20

Re Ank: . TDs article refers to a "siege", my own refers to the "imprisonment" of the Gazan population. My reference to Israeli's NOT experiencing occupation refers to the ongoing colonisation (through occupation, seizure, choose your term) of Palestinian land which defines the Palestinian's situation. The equation you set down (yes rockets =no food) would be admirable for its frankness were it not so repulsive. Interesting that accusations of anti-semitism have become the ludicrous chant for supporters of the Israeli colonial project whilst such support for the vicious collective punishment of hundreds of thousands of Palestinan children and adults (semites too)are so glibly expressed. Should West Belfast and 'Free Derry' have been blockaded and starved for the crimes of the IRA? All the main Palestinian political groupings have indicated that their struggle would end were Israel to abide by international law and return to the 1967 borders, in contrast several Irish republican groupings have NEVER acquiesced to the good friday agreement, indeed they have continued to engage in bombings and limited violence. The idea that Britain would engage in such a degree of collective punishment in the North now or in the past is clearly preposterous, attempting to justify such collective punishment is equally preposterous.

Re: mr. Quigley, I'm tempted to answer your comments with one word CONTEXT but i'll persevere. You really need to get a grip of this concept if you think the grand Mufti of Jerusalem played a major role in the Holocaust. Read any history of the Holocaust and you will see that the Mufti's role is exactly as I said, a footnote to the horrors which were administered by the Germans with the active support of other Europeans who enthusiastically filled the cattle trains with their Jewish peoples whilst the allies refused to engage in military acts which would slow or hault the holocaust. Much like Ank believes in the collective punishment of children for the role of rocket launching militants you seem to believe in the collective tainting of the Arab peoples because of the vile associations undertaken by a small number of prominent Arabs in the past, again this is a bit rich coming from a European, surely you can see the irony in that?

by Gaza Update Wed Nov 19, 2008 14:27

Israeli Terror Squads kidnap Fishermen and peace activists

Fifteen Palestinian fishermen along with three internationals have been kidnapped in Palestinian waters by the Israeli Navy. They were fishing seven miles off the coast of Deir Al Balah, clearly in Gaza fishing waters and well within the fishing limit detailed in the Oslo Accords of 1994.

The fishermen and the human right's observers were transferred from 3 separate boats to the Israeli warships. Other Palestinian fishermen reported that the 3 boats were seen being taken north by the Israeli Navy.

The three internationals are Andrew Muncie from Scotland, Darlene Wallach from the United States and Victor Arrigoni from Italy. The U.K., U.S. and Italian embassies in Tel Aviv have been contacted and know about the abductions.

Please call the Israeli Ministry of Justice at +972 26 46 66 66 and register your outrage over these illegal actions by the Israeli Navy. Then call the Embassies in Jerusalem and make sure they know that many of us are appalled by Israel's illegal search and seizure.

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9971.shtml

by Felix Quigley Wed Nov 19, 2008 16:02

JF

I meet this when I meet people who have not studied the history. You talk in generalities eg the Mufti was a trivial figure. But do not discuss the particular. Usually this means the end of discussion.

Husseini was much more than a minor figure and you show your deep ignorance of the Holocaust by saying so.

However it is well known by all historians that Husseini travelled to Berlin to meet Hitler end of 1941. The Wannsee Conference took place Jan 1942.

In his meeting with Hitler they discussed (what else) the elimination of the Jews. Hitler did offer the Mufti the leading role when it came to the turn of the Jews in Arab lands and the Middle East.

I will throw another name at you and ask "Who was Walther Rauff"?

(begin quote here)

The Jews in Nazi-occupied Tunisia (Nov. 1942-May 1943) suffered during 6 months, under antisemitism Nazi terror by the infamous SS-Obersturmbannführer Walter Rauff.

Peter Witte wrote to me:

“Walther Rauff was “one of the biggest criminals of this century”):
Born June 19, 1906 in Coethen (Saxonia).
High navy officer (Korvettenkapitaen).
1937 fired by the German navy because of adultery (quite the same with Heydrich!) Rauff and Heydrich became friends.
1941-42 RSHA Berlin under Heydrich.
rank: SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer (lieutenant colonel).
here leader of Group II D (technical matters - including construction and distribution of gas vans).
*** 1942-43 Commander of the Security Police in Tunisia.
fall 1943 Commander of the Security Police in Milano (Italy).
June 21, 1944 SS-Standartenfuehrer (colonel) (Simon Wiesenthal).”

A Judenrat was created. Tunisian Jews were subject to acts of violence and terror: arrest of hostages, confiscation of property, ill-treatment -indiscriminate snatching of Jews from street corners and private homes, storming into the synagogue, hitting worshipers-, execution, deportation, and forced labour. Around 5,000 of them had been sent to labor camps near the front lines. It has been estimated that about 100 Jews perished during the period of recruitment: some were murdered in cold bllod by their German guards; others died from ill-treatment, disease, and others were killed in aerial bombardments.

The Tunisian Jews were very much concerned with the threat for their existence. And indeed the Germans were planning to exterminate them. An SS unit was preparing gas chambers near Kairouan. Plans were not completed because of lack of time. Tunis was liberated May 7, 1943."

http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/walther-...isia/

(end quote here)

The Jews in Ireland were also slated for elimination in the Wannsee Conference documents. But why are the Tunisian Jews relevant to Husseini?

French Jews slated for elimination numbered some 700,000. But there are not that many in France at the time. This figure it was realized later by scholars must have included the colony of France...Tunisia.

So from this we gather that the Holocaust was to be extended through the Middle East and Palestine. Husseini was the clear leader of the Arabs and was the most popular leader int he Arabs. He was to be placed in charge.

The only thing which stopped this was the defeat of Rommel in Egypt.

So back to Mr Rauff. Mr Rauff was an expert in the physical killing of Jews. But he was answerable to Husseini, that is the whole point that you hide.

I might ask...why?

To me it is most strange that you treat Husseini as a minor figure. Certainly he did not think so, the Arabs did not think so, and the Nazis did not. Also I doubt if the Serbs in Yugoslavia, not to mention the Jews and gypsies there, would treat Husseini as a minor figure in their history.

Go on, admit it, you know very little of this history and thus context for you is an alien concept.

But the worrying question is why should somebody from the Left, like you I presume, whitewash this Nazi Arab leader?

by mf Thu Nov 20, 2008 02:48

I remain utterly confused as to what exactly the point you're trying to make in relation to the original topic of this thread is beyond changing the subject through a rather tenuous connection. You've completely abandoned your original argument due to your fondness for the Mufti-don't worry i'll return to him in a bit- Is it that Arab peoples must suffer for their history of anti-semitism? Or perhaps that only by accepting, what whitewashing historians have failed to emphasise, namely that the holocaust was in fact a joint Nazi/ Arab undertaking will the palestinian and arab peoples be able to free themselves from their anti-semitic hate and realise that the 1967 borders dont matter, the denial of food and medicine doesn't matter.etc. etc...I'm dealing in the nonsensical here because your arguments are just that.

To return to your last comment- the fault in your argument is that the connection you make in order to establish that the Mufti played an important role in the holocaust relies on the conditional. I'll spell it out for you.

The final solution was to be pursued in nazi occupied Tunisia as it was already being pursued throughout Nazi occupied countries...
let's just say so far so good. However your argument centres on the following,

IF (conditional tense) Nazi germany had conquered the Middle East the Mufti COULD/WOULD (conditional tense) have been placed in charge and the Nazi's final solution COULD / WOULD (there it is again) have found another willing executioner in the middle east just as it DID (see if you can spot the change there) find willing accomplices throughout Europe and Russia.

So the difference is in what did happen and what could have happened, this is why the Mufti's role in the history of the second world war is a minor one as it is in the final solution. One more time, what DID happen throughout Europe and the soviet union is why the dominant roles in the holocaust are commonly accepted as belonging to the prominent participants of those nations, this is not a whitewash it merely denotes an elementary understanding of scale, and a sense of scale is crucial to comprehending the difference between major and minor roles, to declare that someone played a minor role does not imply approval but do i really have to explain this? Perhaps you can explain why non-Arab nations don't seem to figure in your rather idiosyncratic , if not bizarre, take on the second world war and the final solution!? From your fundamentally flawed basic argument you seem to be -and again i must speculate as you're rather vague- extrapolating some sort of collective guilt on the part of the Arab peoples in general and the palestinian peoples in particular, PLease elaborate or perhaps you simply can't be bothered constructing a rational argument and just want an opportunity to bang on about the Mufti? I think I'll leave it at that, cheers!

by Felix Quigley Thu Nov 20, 2008 08:55

My aim is purely historical although I do fight on the side of the Jews and Israel.

Who was the Mufti?

There are many sources but allow me to quote just one here to see where it goes:

begin quote here

From the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust:

[The Mufti Hajj Amin al] Husseini made his contribution to the axis war effort in his capacity as a Muslim, rather than as an Arab leader, by recruiting and organizing in record time [my emphasis], during the spring of 1943, Bosnian Muslim battalions in Croatia comprising some twenty thousand men. These Muslim volunteer units, called Hanjar (sword),[6] were put in Waffen-SS units, fought Yugoslav partisans in Bosnia, and carried out police and security duties in Hungary. They participated in the massacre of civilians in Bosnia and volunteered to join in the hunt for Jews in Croatia... [my emphasis] The Germans made a point of publicizing the fact that Husseini had flown from Berlin to Sarajevo for the sole purpose of giving his blessing to the Muslim army and inspecting its arms and training exercises.[7]

In other words, the Mufti enthusiastically participated in the Final Solution. The civilians whom his Waffen SS troops hunted included thousands of Serbian and Roma ('Gypsies') who were killed with a brutality that shocked the German Nazis. After the war, the Yugoslav government issued a warrant for the Mufti's arrest for war crimes.... The Western allies captured him in Germany. They should have tried him for war crimes at Nuremberg or turned him over to Yugoslavia. Instead, he mysteriously escaped to Cairo.

The relationship of Husseini (The Mufti) with Arafat, Abbas and other leaders of the PLO still needs to be explored. But ti was real.

Just to end...this is the person (The Mufti) who has been written out of all of the discource of the modern so called "Left".

I do not try to say that Arabs are naturally Jew Haters. But this is an ideology that needs to be confronted. The Arabs continued to literally love this man (monster)

You had better not try irony with me in this argument. Irony works only if the person using it is in full control of the facts. You are not. Rather than exploring the actual history of this genocidal and Arab monster, a Nazi, you decide a priori that he was is a minor figure.

And that is not historical.

More info on

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx.../2405

by Felix Quigley Thu Nov 20, 2008 09:20

Let me take up one specific point

You write

The final solution was to be pursued in nazi occupied Tunisia as it was already being pursued throughout Nazi occupied countries...
let's just say so far so good. However your argument centres on the following,

IF (conditional tense) Nazi germany had conquered the Middle East the Mufti COULD/WOULD (conditional tense) have been placed in charge and the Nazi's final solution COULD / WOULD (there it is again) have found another willing executioner in the middle east just as it DID (see if you can spot the change there) find willing accomplices throughout Europe and Russia.

The elimination of the Jews in Africa and in Palestine would have happened if the Nazis had won the war in North Africa. The Nazis had a team of executiuoners standing by and the forces of the Arabs in Palestine were ready.

The whole operation to be in the hands and under the direction of the Mufti.

Later the Mufti became the mentor of Arafat, Abbas and others out of which originated the PLO.

Of course the Nazis would have found others.

The point is they did not have to. Husseini (the Mufti) offered his services. The Mufti remained the most popular Arab leader until his death in the 70s.

The Mufti was trained by the British, and along with the Gehlen Nazis adopted by the US CIA

by mf Fri Nov 21, 2008 02:11

I must admit that having Just followed your links to your site i feel a bit of a fool for having wasted my time in this discussion, late work hours must have dimmed my judgement and scepticism. I was wondering how someone with haughty claims to seek historical truth could cite such blatantly ridiculous sources as the encyclopedia of the holocaust (where as Novick notes, the ONLY entry which is longer than that of the Mufti is Hitlers and that only slightly!) whilst ignoring all serious historians who disagree over the Mufti's status as a blatant anti-semite ( i would say he was one by the way) but dismiss as utter nonsense the notion that he was an important figure in the holocaust.To cut an overlong discussion short and unveil you as an out and out delusional fanatic I'll choose just one quote from your home page , however your site is bursting with such nonsense and reminds me of some rather distasteful research i briefly undertook on the far right's use of the web, it was too depressing to continue so, as i did with that , i'll just leave you to it after this. Here's a random quote in case anyone other than you is still reading , though i doubt it!

" Obama now who is sending his envoy across to prepare the ground with the Arabs for the later knife coming in. But before Obama it was Bush and Rice. Then there is Blair and Brown. Then the Russians up to their filthy UNPRINCIPLED moves etc etc. The Israeli state has become the despised Jew."

by Felix Quigley Fri Nov 21, 2008 09:24

The historical record stands. The Mufti was the equal of Eichmann in the Holocaust and he was to be in charge of the Holocaust in Palestine and the Arab coutries if Hiler had won through and if Rommel had not been defeated in the desert. A team of executioners was standing by under Rauff, that is the Rauff who invented the carbon monoxide poisoning wagons or lorries.

The truth will eventually come out in Ireland despite people like you

On your second point, US and British Imperialism are antisemitic and are the enemies of Israel and the Jews.

by Susan Thu Nov 27, 2008 14:59

One of the biggest impediments to peace between the ISraelis and Palestinians is undoubtedly the Israeli peanchant for self delusion. You cant fix a problem that you dont accept exists and for large section of the Israeli media creating strange parallel realities is a full time job.
If you read any of the online news from ISrael you will see that. A particular comical one(if you like dark humour) appears today in Haaretz.

We may not have known it but apparently it is Hamas that is preventing people coming and going from Gaza. The Israelis Im sure will all shrug and grunt their dissapproval at the Islamist fanatics that have sealed the borders of Gaza and carry on blissfully relieved that all that shenanigans has nothing to do with them.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1041320.html

" Preventing people from leaving Gaza is standard practice for Hamas. Last week, it was an activist of the People's Party who was prevented from leaving the Strip for Ramallah, where he was scheduled to attend a meeting of the Palestine Liberation Organization's central committee. The detainee, Walid Abu Awed, is a PLO man with a record of publicly criticizing Hamas. "

by Frank Adam - private citizen Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:53

If anybody has and is suffering from delusions in the Middle East, it is the Palestine Arabs and their friends, because of their vast impracticality. "Politics is the art of the possible," as the Younger Pitt put it. Pretending your opponent does not exist invites ridicule, little patience and sharp ripostes.

After 1870 the defeated French got on with the rest of their lives even as Britain did after losing the US, Ireland and much else. There was no reason not to trade and not to entertain diplomatic relations - as since proven by the Egyptian and Jordanian peace treaties with Israel. Even the US took up relations with the USSR.

Perhaps somebody can explain what it has profited Iran to break the good commercial relations between itself and Israel since the ayatollahs took power?

That somebody makes a mistake is understandable but to make the same error repeatedly !!! That needs explaining by some expert in little minds, even if not "the little people."
*The Palestine Arabs were offered seats on the High Commissioner's legislative and executive councils - refused in the 1920s.
*The Palestine Arabs were offered a state in Western Palestine of over 80% of the country under the Peel Report in 1937, refused! and 44% of the same in 1947 under UN181, refused !
*From 1947 to 1967 Arab governments held Gaza, Hebron and Nablus Districts so why did they fail to establish an Arab state in Palestine?
*In the week after the June '67 War, Israel offered to return to the Green Line as soon as the Arabs signed a peace treaty turning the Green line into a legal frontier with trade and diplomatic relations, but there was no reply so what did Palestine get out of that Arafatista rudeness?
*Under Oslo the PLO was supposed to abrogate the anti -Israel clauses of its charter but did not touch the matter till the Israeli polling day in the following election and then only remitted it to a committee and still has not made any attempt to keep the Israeli electoral opposition on board!
* In 1937, 47, 56, 67, 73, and since Arab parties have attacked Zionism in Balaclava charges that suffered heavy casualties. Is it not time to wrap up, wind down, and cultivate their garden for when the oil runs out?

by Frank Adam - private citizen Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:53

If anybody has and is suffering from delusions in the Middle East, it is the Palestine Arabs and their friends, because of their vast impracticality. "Politics is the art of the possible," as the Younger Pitt put it. Pretending your opponent does not exist invites ridicule, little patience and sharp ripostes.

After 1870 the defeated French got on with the rest of their lives even as Britain did after losing the US, Ireland and much else. There was no reason not to trade and not to entertain diplomatic relations - as since proven by the Egyptian and Jordanian peace treaties with Israel. Even the US took up relations with the USSR.

Perhaps somebody can explain what it has profited Iran to break the good commercial relations between itself and Israel since the ayatollahs took power?

That somebody makes a mistake is understandable but to make the same error repeatedly !!! That needs explaining by some expert in little minds, even if not "the little people."
*The Palestine Arabs were offered seats on the High Commissioner's legislative and executive councils - refused in the 1920s.
*The Palestine Arabs were offered a state in Western Palestine of over 80% of the country under the Peel Report in 1937, refused! and 44% of the same in 1947 under UN181, refused !
*From 1947 to 1967 Arab governments held Gaza, Hebron and Nablus Districts so why did they fail to establish an Arab state in Palestine?
*In the week after the June '67 War, Israel offered to return to the Green Line as soon as the Arabs signed a peace treaty turning the Green line into a legal frontier with trade and diplomatic relations, but there was no reply so what did Palestine get out of that Arafatista rudeness?
*Under Oslo the PLO was supposed to abrogate the anti -Israel clauses of its charter but did not touch the matter till the Israeli polling day in the following election and then only remitted it to a committee and still has not made any attempt to keep the Israeli electoral opposition on board!
* In 1937, 47, 56, 67, 73, and since Arab parties have attacked Zionism in Balaclava charges that suffered heavy casualties. Is it not time to wrap up, wind down, and cultivate their garden for when the oil runs out?