British tortured Obama's grandfather.

by go Obama Sun Dec 28, 2008 21:26

Trust the 'Socialist' to make these comments. So Mr.Socialist, you want him to pull out of Iraq? Now hes doing it and you've something to complain about? Nothing anyone does will make you happy, you probably already have some criticism about Guantanamo closing. Cop on, Any chance your a trot....

by paul otoole Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:07

Those believing pledges are doomed to a life of dissappiontment--ancient Chineese proverb.

Kitsons..'Low intensity Opperations', and 'The Kitson Expirament' show that the prolonged 'war' in Northern Ireland was nothing more than a British military exercise for the wars of the future- that future in now.
His books have been taken out of circulation, If anyone wants to get a copy that can be arranged.

Obamas Grandaddy being tortured by the british is important from the point of view that it exposes the hypocracy of both sides- now juined at the hip.and exposes their lies in a grand manner.

Similar to Fmr US Atty Gen Ramsey Clark,.... defending a US refusnic accused of 'Refusing to obey orders' and, not giong back to kill more children in Iraq.... While across the corridor in the same building in another court room .....he was defending another for 'accepting orders not in confluence with the Geneva Convention'....I.E. torturing his 'Detainee's.

by Jonah - The spectre of the dead Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:30

Good point soialist, but don't miss the whole point. Fousing on the crimes of imperialists yesterday help us also to focus on and to understand them today. If it can be done through looking at the experience of Obama's relative, all to the good - of humanity and of socialism). Alos, don't let the Brits off the hook - the only difference between theirs and US imperialism is time, size and opportunity.

by Socialist Sat Dec 06, 2008 08:54

He has pledged to withdraw the troops from Iraq leaving a pro-US government in power.
He has pledged to use diplomacy to deal with Iran but has not ruled out military force.
He has pledged to continue the war in Afghanistan, defeat Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
He has pledged to project American economic, military and political dominance of the globe.

What difference does it make if his ancestors were brutalised by the British when the American Empire he will lead is perpetrating the same crimes?

by - Sat Dec 06, 2008 05:33

I suspect some readers don't know about Kitson & his little handbook. Kitson's writings were assembled into one of the five core texts on counter intelligence written in the 20th century and probably one of the most enduringly influential for the British army in colonial and "post-colonial" situations. Kitson popped up everywhere. Plenty of Kitson in Ireland. Indeed the Irish responded to Kitson with a bundle of writings of their own which may or may not have been collated into a little book. Probably as green as your indymedia ireland screen, you know, that posh national concert hall mix of no less than 5 shades of greeniness which needs donations if it is to continue helping out indymedia Africa and stuff so they can have black, red and green screens. Kitson's book if ever it was bound up as a volume and not just passed around Sandhurst and Ashford and such places as notes wouldn't have been that tastefully presented. You weren't really supposed to judge it by its cover.

It was bloody red. A sly sneaky bloody red. Now you know what it might have looked like - go read about it :- it was when finally published thanks to the curiousity of the kind of public who go for that kind of thing & was called "gangs and counter gangs". A contemporary of the same Kitson name has just published a book called "Spy versus spy". How things have moved on with the cover titles. It's all about fist fucking computer servers now.

The Mau Mau rebellion still has relevance to Kenya today and Indymedia Africa. The largest shantytown in Africa is built on land which was declared terra nullius by the British in attempt to control population settlement. But there was a world social forum about that & every took note & it was all reported on this site coz Dunkie was well involved on the radio side of things.

Nowadays you'd never see a man with Mau Mau dreddlocks for they wore very unkempt rastas back then ;

"The detainees... are particularly ugly customers and there is no doubt that the use of orthodox methods of non violent persuasion and normal camp punishments for disobedience would be, and indeed have proved to be, useless and ineffective. With possibly a few exceptions they are of the type which understands and reacts to violence."........"It was in no way punitive force [it was] manipulative force. To take somebody's trousers off it takes a bit of doing. you know it's a kind of rape. So that is done and then if someone howls, then it has to be maybe 10 minutes of enforcement."

that's how they managed to memo up systematic rape, buggery, blinding and mutilations.
= you put what seems like a bearable time limit on it & call it an "emergency" not a war.

watch Malcolm X the original Black Power man talking about the situation which saw Obama's grand-da (on the non-Offally side) get fucked over. Oh he's a breath of fresh air - aint he?
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=2661657981928352...u+mau

by Seoire Plante Sat Dec 06, 2008 01:17

The counter-insurgency against the Mau Mau freedom fighters was led by one Frank Kitson.

Why is it only now, some 50 years after the great Mau Mau fight for freedom, that the barbariism of the British is being revealed?