Why should we be paying for the mistakes of bankers, developers and politicians for the next 25 year

by E Wed Oct 13, 2010 13:48

Reply from James O'Toole..

http://swp.ie/news/we-need-more-protests-not-less-reply.../3702

I think the next stop for Dr. Ahern(e) is membership of the Labour Party..

by compliant complaining Wed Oct 13, 2010 13:54

why should we pay,because we do not have the integrity to stand up and say something,we do not have the provisions to be heard in the media,and they will probably not give us the soundbites we deserve,because the law supports them,not us.
our outdated laws ensure criminals in ireland get a suspended sentence,and fallen politicians can pay their way out,they can also earn money while on the inside.

by our government fools Wed Oct 13, 2010 14:10

there have been a lot of economists who have suggested we let the banks burn,meaning they should have been given no financial support for the debt they put us in,if i took out a loan for a house and got in arrears,would i be given a reward..

im suprised the banks haven't been torched im disgusted by these greasey bastards..

by Janet Wed Oct 13, 2010 23:57

Rory is only out for himself. When he didn't get elected he left pb4p in a huff. He has found a new niche for himself now. It was always about him and what position he could get. He now has a cushey job in a government funded organisation.

by Jonah Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:20

"He now has a cushey job in a government funded organisation."

He's a community development worker in one of the most deprived inner city communities in the country.

It's hardly head of NAMA.

by D_D - PBPA - individual Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:44

"He now has a cushey job in a government funded organisation."

This kind of groupthink denunciation does nothing to respond productively to Rory's serious critique of the far left, which needs to be answered seriously, and actually bears some of it out. As does sneering at him - inconsistently - for using the term 'Doctor'.

by E Thu Oct 14, 2010 13:56

Well D_D , I don't have any problem with him earning his PhD with good research etc.

I just wonder if he uses the "Dr" title in his everyday work now as a community worker? Is he "Dr Hearne" or just "Rory" in the community where he now works?

Or it is a vital bit of information for an article written for the Irish Times? Because he knows he is addressing a different audience there to be frank about it, via this newspaper?

I knew Rory of course, we were in the same party the SWP and all, he doesn't want to mention that , if at all possible. Its like all the ex-Workers Party members who need to hide their membership, secret or otherwise, to that organisation..

I can't help feeling he got his political "training" if you want to refer it as that and now has used that to his benefit. Maybe someday, when he is a councillor or a TD (you can see that happening with him, he is ambitious of course and not stupid..), we on the radical left will be able to, thanks to the internet, to remind him of his past. And everything is recorded forever on the net unless you manage to remove the content, which is a hard thing to do...

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Oct 14, 2010 14:21

I dont agree with everything in it, but mostly its problems are its omissions. My attitude is to support anyone who is not actually pumping neo-liberal shite and leave the celebrity personality slashers to themselves.
i.e. never mind the individual, discuss some of the issues he is raising, or stay quiet till he says something needs chopping down.

My criticism?Not much mention of the macro-management that led us to the wrecking yard. But the article makes general sense, and anyone that can address the IT knobs and deliver an alternative view to the general PD velvet fascism of its editorial line should not be pulled down just because your personal relations have been unsmooth.Loose the handbags.

by E Thu Oct 14, 2010 15:17

Of course what he discusses makes sense but it is the explicit rejection of "revolution" or whatever he understood what that meant is the issue here..maybe it is the fault of party he was in not making that clear to him, that a revolution is a long process at times but also recognising when things can and do change rapidly. At least that is what I have got from being in the SWP..

Rory, as I knew him, was a "movementist", absolutely nothing wrong with that so don't attack me here for saying that. I am just remembering him as another active member here. Maybe he forgot the importance of organisation I don't know, or didn't see it as a thing that maybe separated us from others on the left sometimes. It was understandable I guess, seeing that he joined in the run up to the "Battle of Seattle" and the effect of that on the SWP, rightly or wrongly. We had to relate to the "movement of movements" and I know mistakes were made, some real stupid.

Where will he go now, hard to say, maybe the Labour Party, maybe not..

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Oct 14, 2010 15:59

I just get browned off with the ad hominems and the personalised.
The issue is revolution?That word means many things to different users. I'm with the evolutionaries.

by property_tax Fri Oct 15, 2010 02:32

The criminals in dail eireann..have walked free from all this ruin they have put us through and put some more heavy burdens on our shoulders..including a new measure which will be introduced this year,property tax,which will be set at 600 Euros per year per household,there will be two types of property tax and we will have to pay for the two types of property tax..
Property tax used to be known as rates,in the early sixties and seventies and my grandparents and greatgrandparents had to pay for these but in return they got tax back and services for them,which included the councils doing the rubbish and irrigation and fixing streetlamps etc..but this property tax is soley for the interest of syphoning money out of the poor after the party is now over for the rich of dublin 4..
and that is no exaggeration either,if you look it up you will see it is a fact.

the context of this property tax is not right,and we should be out marching and throwing bricks in their windows and setting their palaces alight.

the french wouldnt put up with this and i have seen what they can achieve ,people should not be complaint we are literally being taxed out of our LIVES.

while they not only WALK FREE,but have an opinion on us,telling us what wee need to do.

how dare they!

by Gearoid O Loingsigh Fri Oct 15, 2010 17:05

Most academics don't get to keep their jobs if they espouse revolution. The good Doctor's former comrade Kieran Allen, being an exception. But those that do, find their funding is lower than that of their middle of the road colleagues. Rory of course is not in academia per se, he has gone into the poverty industry. There is nothing wrong with that, I once worked in it myself. Taking it seriously as the solution to people's problems, well that is just selling out. If you work in a bank, you work in a bank but you don't defend Nama. Rory on the other hand is an Uncle Tom. Having met him years ago I have to say that I am not surprised and I think reflects on the nature of the SWP's political training and the message given to their new members.

by Marcus McSpartacus Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:38

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/97934