Police

by Ray Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:48

Its important to remember that there is a fair amount of co-operation that goes on around particular issues - bin charges, Nice, the war, whatever else is going on.
The other side of that is that its easy to think that the issues people argue about are trivial, when they often spring from real issues, like important political or tactical diagreements, or incidents that undermine trust. Its easy to imagine that 'we're all fighting for the same thing', but really, we aren't - it only looks that way because sometimes we use the same words.

by hs - socialist party Thu Sep 19, 2002 15:14

In action generally the left works together and in many issues disagreements are over tactics. For example racism, everyone is against it but there are differing tactics on how to approach it. For example the no platform for fascists which some groups support and others don't. And the method of campaigning, liberal racism is imoral type and other bringing housing and other social issues into it.
In protest generally everyone goes. Now is different too as you have people who aren't organised into groups or parties organising events such as RTS, which is excellent. In the past everything was SWP or SP organised now we have much more involvement from outside and we can support.
The discussions are important for the racism example the liberal moralistic approach can often make matters worse and convince people to be racist. Indymedia is the fist real place where this discussion could take place as there is no independent left press in Ireland.
Although I know it annoys alot of people that the newswire is used this way I think it is very useful. Probably a seperate discussion section should be added (but I know nothing of technicalities like this).
As for making the cops life easier, I don't think it makes a differece discussions and arguments don't mean we're physically fighting.

by iosaf mac diarmada= O AS IF - reclaim the streets! Thu Sep 19, 2002 17:00 ipsiphi23 at email dot com codols23, Barcelona 08002, Catalunya 0034 679 708 674

Very good questions raised there.

the thing about the underground

(Reclaim the Streets! parties and gatherings and fellow travelling conferences and non-organisations are a regular manifestation of the underground´s beliefs, opinions, solutions, tactics and such else...)

try again...

the underground is just that-
always under your feet.

ask the wombles.

So it would be logical to presume that the underground have long ago succesfully infiltrated in the spirit of the play ethic those paid to monitor them.
Thus demonstrating their particular genius for game play, disorganisation and fun.

Ireland and her Gardai Siochana are also new to all this.
Which is why in the aftermath of the RTS gig of May this year, reference was made to "infiltration by militant labour elements" and "significant involvement of northern radicals" by various Gardai trying to understand what it was all about.
Well Irish blue block, maybe ye should have paid more attention last december when you were invited to take part in the European Union policing conference in Den Haag Nederlands.
An interesting few days which saw the German blue block push for a transantional police group to deal exclusively with transnational activists.
The British and French blue blocks with considerably more databases and vidoe footage of activists stretching back to oh god knows when the time of the young Irelanders I suppose or amybe Shelley, were reluctant to share their police intelligence with the other states.
They have a tradition of keeping it all "in-house".
Siobhain, this is a very good place to ask this question.
Though you may actually be Ban Garda!
or for that matter so might I!
Blue block involvement in Reclaim the Streets! events has varied in the quality of its contribution over the years.
The underground were fascinated back in 1998 June18 to see how the City of London was policed, it gave us real life info and fractals of street behaviour and change which shaped tactics for years to come.
With respect to those involved it also led to the internet distribution of over 200 photographs of "wanted for questioning" people and the blacklisting of many more.
However within two years combinations of good indymedia activist tactics and plain old "don´t play chess unless you see checkmate" thinking the PLay ethic crew won out.
We learn every time you see.
We do it better every time.
In every sense.
For we are the catalyst.
When people, hearts and minds assemble for a carnival on the streets on the urban space the liberation of extra-system socialisation is felt.
This is a parabolic curve.
For misunderstanding blue block head the point of the magic is missed.
These days last for years.
Their effect is slow but accumualtive.
And most importantly they are an expression of a mandate.
A mandate more global than any global institution.
So we go on relaiming the streets.
It might seem like just a party, but it is much much much much much (sorry) more.
Heart and Mind.
and blue block folk of Ireland, just imagine what you could do with an echelon box?
=always under your feet.

by o as if = iosaf - RTS Thu Sep 19, 2002 19:35 ipsiphi23 at email dot com codols23 Barcelona 08002 Catalunya 0034 679 708 674

Watching us watching them.
then they go home and watch TV.
And those who make TV and all those advert maintained newspapers think and feel and have hearts.
The hearts and minds don´t get on TV
nor in the newspapers.
They are for Caesar and the http://WWW:Y€$:NWO

but we all student, professor, cop, punk,
spy, billionaire, big issue seller, blaa blaa
know.

the world started to run out of time long ago.
run out of oxygen
run out of fossil fuels
run out of vaccines
the only thing it appeared not to run out of
was money.
http://www.eldinerogratis.org
and exploitation
http://www.yomango.org
money
according to the CIA
http://www.cia.worldfactbook/theworld
we had 40.9 trillion $ GDP for the planet in 1999.

I think
maybe you think
many people think
that is enough
in Catalan we say
BASTA!
for the poor sick and all the usual unsustainable victims of evil.
now if you´re a cop you know that to.
placing more than two hundred persons on a confined city street begins emergent social effects.
it is one of the informing fractal functions of the RTS game theory thing.
The emergent social effects include the police as well.
So here goes Gardai do better!
as you will now have been advised by many "in the know" you don´t go wading in.
you get sacked the mortgage is gone.
and hiding your station numbers doesn´t hide your five number one letter state recognition code.
your faces and finger prints after all are recored in Templemore as part of your training.
an infringement of personal autonomy you accept unthinkingly as normal.
RTS is a transnational phenomona.
non-organisation.
it is the catalyst which will shape 21st century
Western Civilisation and its relationship with the rest of the world.
WHY?
because students like Siobhan are "new to all this".
Welcome to 21st century.
if you want to avoid my rants and jokes and all to clever mistakes errors cross references and jibes you can always mail me at the above email.
i generally answer questions in a less
.....florid way