Lets support our allies

by Graham Caswell Sat Mar 08, 2003 22:39

Which part of America do you represent? The God-fearing, arrogant, gun-waving, nationalistic part that tears up international treaties and is threatening to destroy international rule of law...

....or the aware, rational, responsible, and progressive part that is trying, against all odds, to preserve the reality of freedom, democracy, equality and the rule of law?

A land in which you can be arrested for wearing a T-shirt is not free. A land in which one can be sentenced to life imprisonment for stealing 3 golf clubs knows little of justice.

A land where media ownership is concentrated in a few hands and where genuine analysis and discussion is often considered 'unpatriotic' does not have a free press.

A land in which less than half of people vote and in which the presidency can be won through manipulation is not a democracy. Neither is a land in which 9 out of 10 elections return the candidate who spent the most money.

In a land where some work 3 jobs to eke out a subsistance living and 75 million people have no right to healthcare people are not equal.

A land that executes its own people, even if they are retarded or under age, does not respect human rights. Neither does a land in which accusation of terrorism is enough to have one 'dissapeared'.

And a nation that attempts to activly sabotage the International Criminal Court and that says the Geneva convention does not apply to it does not support the rule of law. A nation which invades another in defiance of the United Nations operates not by lay but on the ideology of 'might is right'.

If America is power and wealth, then supporting the Bush administration will support the primacy of power and wealth. But if the America you support includes the values of freedom, of democracy, of equality and of the rule of law, then do what you can to stand up to the threat to these values from the autocratic, theocratic extremists who have hijacked America.

America, the real America of freedom, justice, equality and rule of law, today needs the support of all who cherish and value these ideals.

Which America do you support?

by USA Supporter Sun Mar 09, 2003 01:27

About time somebody showed that these peaceniks don't represent us all. "Not in my Name". The UN can't deal with Saddam, only the US can preserve our freedoms. We have to put down a marker now for History.

by Intransigent Sun Mar 09, 2003 01:45

Yours will be smashed by the workers more than likely. Besides the fact that you guys rely on evidence written by students about old wars, make up more evidence and generally talk a lot of shit. Wake up and realise that you are the minority, who with a 10000 strong arsenal of nuclear warheads has become the Bully of the entire world. Should a president who didn't win an election with serious grammar problems and a general lack of intelligence initiate a pre-emptive strike he would be setting a terrible precedent. Next we have India invading Pakistan. Israel invading Syria or Jordan. Then the Amercian administartion doesn't like the Iranians, Koreans, Saudis, Venezuelans, Cubans, French! Do you see where I'm going with this. I won't grant you that you are smart but I'll expect that you see this far. And yes that's right I said fascist and compared you guys. You will be smashed if you march. Just wanted to let you know. Free speech does exist but don't expect 150000 people who marched and the silent majority (against the war) in this country to sit down and let you fuckers march for the war. You sick bastards. Hey VIL! Remember Kronstadt! Forget dolphin friendly tuna. I want tuna friendly dolphin.

by USa Supporters Sun Mar 09, 2003 10:15

Oh, I get it, you're a Communist. Well, why don't you go live in Russia?

Sorry, I forgot, there was a Revolution there lately. It seems they didn't like the communist utopia. The people get what they want eventually and you apparatchiks always fail in the end.

by Tony Mc Manus Sun Mar 09, 2003 13:01

I'll be there. This is what a lot of people actually want to do, show our support to the USA. Might reduce the damage done by the crackpots at Shannon.

by KKK Sun Mar 09, 2003 13:07

Is it ok if I bring my white hood? And my Swastika badges?

by iosaf Sun Mar 09, 2003 14:10

that all those with editorial privelage keep a sharp eye out for the thinly veiled neo-fascist articles and disruptive comments that are appearing on IMC Ireland at an almost daily interval.
Indymedia publishing was never intended as a means to allow the propogation of extreme right sentiments.
I do not think there will be any resistance from the wider assembly of IMC Ireland made up of editorial, technical, writers readers and linked organisations to closer editing till these people learn they can not hide their poison behind false names.

by Beel Sun Mar 09, 2003 14:10

You stupid lefty muppet, get a job, shave, and wash yourself. Your comments are crap and you need to shut up. Bloody stupid hippy

by iosaf Sun Mar 09, 2003 14:34

and what does "beel" mean?
is that some powerful cypher or something?
do you have a tattoo with that?
do you oil yourself and prance in front of the mirror flexing your tattoo?
do you memorise bits of mein kampf?
have you gone to austria on your holidays?
What really interests me though is your absence here over the past year, whats wrong, did you not know that Indymedia existed before the Irish Independent told you?
thats a thought is it not, the great aryan Irish brotherhood or whatever you call yourselves resorting to the Irish independent for intelligence on the "Left".
Mr Noone is a bit swarthy though eh?
you would have done better with Tom Maguire.
more robust was he.

by Drbinoche Sun Mar 09, 2003 14:56

I would certainly attend a pro-USA RALLY. People sho come on and say that America does this or that are missing the most vital point. No-one gives a damn!! America executes people. Good, I would rather have one dead scumbag than have him taking up my tax money. If someone was to turn around tomorrow and say lets execute John Gilligan, I would volunteer to pull that switch. Hes guilty, we KNOW hes guilty why waste our money on letting him live in a prison with his stooges.

America invades other countries. So what, do you honestly think the majority of the people give a damn about Afghanistan or Iraq. The only thing we are concerned about is our standard of living and we are right to do so. During the 80s, when Iraq was still fairly affluent and the standard of living was higher, did you see any people in Iraq sending us food packages or offering to help our country out of its economic recession. No, because they were TOO busy loking after number 1. Themselves. The people who come out and spout their info about how Iraq is facing this problem or that problem need to focus more on their own lives. If we are getting screwed, why are you concerned with the POOR people of Iraq.

Whens the rally and where?? I will be there. And no I don't have a white hood or swastikas, because I am not an idiot like some the 'activists' on this page!

by Damien Sun Mar 09, 2003 15:02

Try the main page, it takes less time to load:
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/index.shtml

by joseph ginzburg Sun Mar 09, 2003 21:25

This war is for israel.
The left are a false opposition to the system and will no prevent it.
www.fpp.co.uk a really good site!

www.duke.org for some sense although it will go over your stupid heads!

by USA Supporter Mon Mar 10, 2003 02:01

I'm very concerned about you Joseph. Please make a pledge to yourself every morning that you will try to become a better person today.

You have a long way to go but take it one step at a time. Hope is not lost, there is still time.

However, you must cut all ties with the people you currently know. Don't make any compromises, do it now, and don't look back.

Take Care.

by Ispy Mon Mar 10, 2003 05:01

Ginsburg above is almost certainly Brian Wallace, the Cork neo-nazi, promoting his anti-holocaust bile. Why is indymedia allowing threads like this, which are obviously trolls by extreme right-wingers?

by Sean - Cork Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:13

The author of the original article asks us to "Support Our Allies" - I'd like to ask him / her which allies?

The "ally" which subjugated this nation for 800 years, starved and murdered its people, stole its land and natural resources? The same ally which burned my native city, Cork, to the ground in 1920? The same ally which fired on unarmed civil rights protesters in Derry in 1972 and which continued to commit human rights abuses, shoot-to-kill policies, etc thereafter?

Or does he mean the new imperialist 'ally' which seeks to do the same to so many other small and defenceless countries? which learned from the first 'ally' so well and has become the imperialist power of the 21st century?

by Intransigent Tue Mar 11, 2003 01:05

You are all idiots! Do you listen to one thing you have said so far? Do you have an idea in your head that wasn't planted there by Sky News or Fox News or Rupert? And no most 'lefties' do wash, don't have dreads and have jobs. They are mostly ordinary joe and jane biscuits who just so happen to have a firmer grasp on reality than that which has been thusfar portrayed by the clowns posting here!

by Intransigent Tue Mar 11, 2003 01:31

Are we Irish?
Are we European?
Are we just humans?
Are we rich?
Are we poor?
Are we white?
Are we black?
Do we have Weapons of Mass Destruction?
Do we have 10000 nuclear warheads?
Do we support our allies if they are war criminals?
Who is this we?
Am I part of it?
Who are your allies?
Are your allies my allies?
Is this the West v the East?
I hope not!
Are we Fascists?
Are we Rascists?
Who the fuck is "our allies?"

by Barney Tue Mar 11, 2003 04:12

What is this shite?