Media ignore US deaths and warship explosion

by Simpson Eh? Fri May 09, 2003 11:49

Important to keep some focus on the next Afghanistan. While every other media outlet seems to follow the line set out by the Pentagon it is essential that the situation on the ground is not "a land of milk and honey" living in the post Saddam era.

by Simpson eh? Fri May 09, 2003 11:53

Last sentence should read 'essential that the situation on the ground is reported accurately rather than as "a land of milk and honey" living in the post Saddam era'.

Doh - Moral of the story don't try to talk on the phone and add acomment at the same time.

by Bush Admirer Fri May 09, 2003 16:23

It's all falling apart. Not!

There's space for another on Mt.Rushmore and I predict that Dubya is the man. History will record him as being one of the four great American Presidents who kept a steady hand on the tiller in times of great crisis. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson and George W Bush.........

by Irish American Fri May 09, 2003 17:16

There may be some difficulties, but the USA will prevail in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ever notice, that people who hate America are usually losers themselves?

by Simpson eh? Fri May 09, 2003 17:26

But I do notice how muppetts with little to add to an article travel in pairs....

by Ironist Fri May 09, 2003 19:05

Anti-fascists were "losers" from about 1939 until early 1943. Then they started winning. During that period the "winners" were Waffen-SS types of the kind lauded by Dubya's ideological predecessor Reagan at Bitburg cemetery until somebody reminded him he wasn't supposed to like Nazis.

by Josef Fri May 09, 2003 19:47

The good ole' USA.
And who saved Iraq from it's gangster regime?
Same as above.

by Bush Admirer Fri May 09, 2003 19:56

and 72% of West Germans wanted him to honour the German dead of WW11. It was an act of reconciliation, that fact that there were a few SS dudes interred there wss no big deal, most German graveyards contain a few.

Still, the fact was seized upon by those eager to assail the unassailable.

Plus ca change.

How can we trust any of you people when you don't tell the truth, only the bits that fit in with your agenda.

It's lying. Sneaky, but lying.

by sir winston Fri May 09, 2003 22:24

Yes, and who sold Eastern Europe into bondage to Uncle Joe Stalin ...? Ever hear about Yalta ... ?
Have a little think about that one Josef ......

by Justin Moran Sat May 10, 2003 14:01

What is unusual about the media lying. Sure haven't Indymedia.ie being doing it from day one?

This is the place to come if you want to read lies.

The truth is always censored by the censorship team. Isn't that right RAY?

by Josef Sun May 11, 2003 11:46

Are you a complete moron? So the victorious allies divied up Europe. Does that somehow excuse Stalin for beinga murdering tyrant????

I'm so tired of this dumbass illogical crap.

by kokomero Mon May 12, 2003 18:20

Sorry to burst your bubble Josef but the Russians got to Berlin first and certainly there would have been very little for the Americans to "save" from facism if the Soviet Union had not held out against Hitlers onslaught.

To say that the Americans won the war (by implication on their own) is both untrue and a huge disservice to the enormous sacrifice of the Russian people, not to mention resistance fighters all over Europe.

by R Isible - 1 of IMC Mon May 12, 2003 18:34

GREEK PROFFESSIONAL SOLDIER REFUSES TO DEPLOY TO IRAQ
by Committee for Solidarity with Soldiers, Greece Sat, May 10 2003, 12:46pm
antiwargr@yahoo.gr

[this crosspost http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=67782&group=webcast and comments moved by R Isible. Please do not crosspost stories on indymedia sites. They will be deleted. Thanks.] The acts of resistance against the unlawful occupation of Iraq become more and more in the Greek army. For the first time, a Greek PROFESSIONAL soldier declares publicly that he refuses to deploy to Iraq.

Seaman Apprentice George Monastiriotis, 23 years old, a professional soldier who has a 5 years contract with the Hellenic Navy, refused to embark on the battleship "NAVARINO" (he is a member of its crew) that will be sailing for the Persian Gulf in a few days. He also declared his immediate resignation from the Hellenic Navy. Although the battleship "NAVARINO" will be in the Persian Gulf for the needs of the operation "Enduring Freedom" that officially has nothing to do with the occupation of Iraq, it will actually support the occupying forces.
The navy has not responded to the declaration of the 23-year-old Seaman Apprentice, yet. However he faces the threat of being court martialled.

His full statement is presented below:

"STATEMENT OF REFUSAL

Acting on the basis of my conscience, I refuse to take part or contribute by any means in the relentless slaughter of the Iraqi people. I refuse to take part in a war that is not ended as even now after its official end people and among them many children are being killed. Even if this war is officially finished, many more are to come, as war is necessary for the expansion of the dominance of the ruling powers. I declare my immediate resignation from the Hellenic Navy, which is a mechanism that promotes inhuman practices through orders and hierarchy and acts as a means of extortion and repression of the movement and the uprisings of the people. My refusal is also the minimal act of solidarity to the Iraqi people and to the peaceful sentiments of the Greek people. "

You can send him messages of support at his email:

iro9@hotmail.com

You can also send messages of support for him to the

Hellenic Navy Staff: contact@hellenicnavy.gr

related link: www.geocities.com/antiwargr/

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100% Support
by Pathfinder Sat, May 10 2003, 1:37pm

It is people like George Monastiriotis, Mary Kelly, CW5 and Mordechai Vanunu that we get our real inspiration and motivation from.
The anti-war movement in Ireland is in abit of a lull at the moment but we need to not forget that everywhere in the world people are continuing to resist and put themselves on the line in the name of justice and peace. We need to support and follow these people.
The system trys to criminalise our heroes and crush our movement. You need to ask yourself why! The answer is because we our strong, too strong.The power that we have when we come together and resist is unbeatable. The heads of this system will do anything, and they do, to prevent us from keeping and expanding this power. Innocent people get jailed, killed and harrassed so they can stay in power. We need not be dis heartened by this but instead use it as futher motivation to keep going and resisting. T

The Irish army could learn from these Greeks
by dads army Mon, May 12 2003, 2:31pm

And refuse to be send off on junkets 'peacekeeping'