'Thanks Mr. Bush for the death of our son.'

by redjade Fri Sep 17, 2004 13:49

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=23207

by redjade Fri Sep 17, 2004 15:14

A woman wearing a T-shirt with the words "President Bush You Killed My Son" and a picture of a soldier killed in Iraq was detained Thursday after she interrupted a campaign speech by First lady Laura Bush.

Police escorted Sue Niederer of Hopewell, N.J., from a rally at a firehouse after she demanded to know why her son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, was killed in Iraq. Dvorin died in February while trying to disarm a bomb.

As shouts of "Four More Years" subsided, Niederer, standing in the middle of a crowd of some 700, continued to shout about the killing of her son. Secret Service and local police escorted her out of the event, handcuffed her and placed her in the back of a police van.

by indysurfer Fri Sep 17, 2004 17:35

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by redjade Fri Sep 17, 2004 17:39

JS: You brought up a big issue when your son came back through Dover. You said that they made you stand outside the gates and refused to let you in. President Bush has really emphasized a ban on the press being able to show coffins returning to Dover, where the bodies are processed before being released to the families. You were not able to meet your son’s coffin when it came off the plane?

Sue Niederer: That’s correct. That’s absolutely correct. They would not allow us to meet the coffin, which is now permitted. That was due to all of the protesting I have done, obviously. The denial they gave me was a very simple one. I officially got denied for health reasons. But they kept giving me all kinds of other excuses. I got told many things. We can’t deal with crying families, we don’t know what plane he’s coming in on, and we don’t know what time he’s coming in. They gave us a complete and total run around.

What they don’t want is very simple. They don’t want anyone to see the grief and the pain behind the coffins. They don’t want the families to be seen. When you don’t see the families, when you don’t see the coffins or funerals, you don’t really see the true picture of grief and loss.

JS: So by hiding the coffins and not showing news coverage of the funerals and the families grieving they hide it?

Sue Niederer: Yes they are hiding it, yes they are, no question. It’s just a number; it’s just one more number in a long line of easily forgotten dead. We don’t want to see our own casualties, because that might make people believe it is real, it is going on every day. Oh God forbid the American people have to see our pain, they might be offended or upset. We might make someone unhappy if they have to think about the price of war.

It’s bullshit, absolute bullshit, and that’s what really makes me mad. This is my pain damn it, our pain, the families pain. How dare you try to hide it, not if I want it to be seen. Many families don’t, but a lot of us do.

To say that we must move on and not question it is just so arrogant. They just have become so arrogant.

full interview at...

by redjade Sat Sep 18, 2004 19:22

GIs claim threat by Army

Soldiers say they were told to re-enlist or face deployment to Iraq

By Dick Foster, Rocky Mountain News
September 16, 2004

COLORADO SPRINGS - Soldiers from a Fort Carson combat unit say they have been issued an ultimatum - re-enlist for three more years or be transferred to other units expected to deploy to Iraq.

Hundreds of soldiers from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team were presented with that message and a re-enlistment form in a series of assemblies last Thursday, said two soldiers who spoke on condition of anonymity.

[....]

The form, if signed, would bind the soldier to the 3rd Brigade until Dec. 31, 2007. The two soldiers said they were told that those who did not sign would be transferred out of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team.

"They said if you refuse to re-enlist with the 3rd Brigade, we'll send you down to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which is going to Iraq for a year, and you can stay with them, or we'll send you to Korea, or to Fort Riley (in Kansas) where they're going to Iraq," said one of the soldiers, a sergeant.

by meishaad Mon Sep 20, 2004 03:33

President Bush did not kill her son.Her son was 24,a college graduate.He enlisted on his own,maybe against his mothers wishes,but none the less on his own.It is a terrible thing to have a child killed,but this man made his decisions to be where he was.No one forced him to go down and enlist,he chose that himself.His mother is trying to take the son's decision to enlist off of him and transfering it to the President.This is nonsense.While I feel sad for the mother's loss,I cannot condone her actions.If Sue's son had been drafted,then he would have been there not of his own free will,but he wasn't.I honor her son for what he did.

by yeah right Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:26

meishaad, you're right - Seth Dvorin would have invaded Iraq by himself, no need for permision or orders by George W. Bush.

Bush is not responsible for this war, he's only Commander in Chief of the US Military. Why bother blaming political leaders when the military grunts are clearly to blame.

by Mitch Mon Sep 20, 2004 18:16

This mother is absolutely right to blame Bush for her son's death. If Bush hadn't started this stupid war, the boy would not have been defusing bombs. A boy in his early 20s is easily seduced by these slick recruiters. Bush and his neocon thugs are every bit to blame.

by Noel Mon Sep 20, 2004 19:09

Yeah, Bush started all this.

By having his neocon thug buddies fly those aircraft into buildings on September 11.

Wise up. There's real baddies out there.

by R. Isible Mon Sep 20, 2004 19:22

QUOTE: President Bush did not kill her son.Her son was 24,a college graduate.He enlisted on his own,maybe against his mothers wishes,but none the less on his own.

The lack of respect or compassion or even common sense of the right wing for the people that actually fight and work is illustrated very well in the comments above and the episode in general. Devorin's mother was surrounded by Republicans chanting "4 more years" while she tried to raise the issue of the death of her son. Monsters.

These same people have no problems or criticism of the US support of regimes that torture those seeking democracy and freedom, no criticism of the US backing of the terrorists in Afghanistan, no criticism of the pirates and conmen that call themselves the "temporary government of Iraq". Knaves.

Her son was recruited straight out of highschool as an impressionable kid that wanted to get a chance to have a better paying job. He actually wanted to join the FBI or CIA according to his mother and the recruiter told him this was a great way to do it. His mother was suspicious and suggested that he get it in writing ... the recruiter sneered at him and suggested he was a mamma's boy for wanting it and the poor idiot signed up. There's a good interview with his mother at the URI below (where you can hear some actual information as opposed to the shopworn third hand opinions of rightwing hypocritical ignoramuses):

------------------------------------------------------ "They Lied And Deceived The Young And The Innocent" - Mother of Slain Soldier Blasts Iraq War After Disrupting Laura Bush Speech --------------------------------------------------------

by Neal Moser Mon Sep 20, 2004 20:19 Cincy OH

Look at reality: We are at war. Armies fight in War. Young adults in our all VOLUNTEER army will be expected to fight and possibly die. The tradgedies of young men and women dying are no more gruesome in Iraq than in New York City. Many battles will need to be fought before radical Islam will no longer be a threat. Many tribal groups are using Islam to obtain power and / or weatlh. These groups will not stop until they are eliminated or they have achieved one world Islam with themselves in control.

by redjade Wed Sep 22, 2004 16:03

Inside dusty, barricaded camps around Iraq, groups of American troops in between missions are gathering around screens to view an unlikely choice from the US box office: "Fahrenheit 9-11," Michael Moore's controversial documentary attacking the commander-in-chief.

"Everyone's watching it," says a Marine corporal at an outpost in Ramadi that is mortared by insurgents daily. "It's shaping a lot of people's image of Bush."

[....]

Other US troops expressed feelings of guilt over killing Iraqis in a war they believe is unjust.

"We shouldn't be here," said one Marine infantryman bluntly. "There was no reason for invading this country in the first place. We just came here and [angered people] and killed a lot of innocent people," said the marine, who has seen regular combat in Ramadi. "I don't enjoy killing women and children, it's not my thing."

As with his comrades, the marine accepted some of the most controversial claims of "Fahrenheit 9/11," which critics have called biased. "Bush didn't want to attack [Osama] Bin Laden because he was doing business with Bin Laden's family," he said.

Another marine, Sgt. Christopher Wallace of Pataskala, Ohio, agreed that the film was making an impression on troops. "Marines nowadays want to know stuff. They want to be informed, because we'll be voting out here soon," he said. " 'Fahrenheit 9/11' opened our eyes to things we hadn't seen before." But, he added after a pause, "We still have full faith and confidence in our commander-in-chief. And if John Kerry is elected, he will be our commander in chief."

by redjade Wed Sep 22, 2004 16:09

From most accounts, Bush appears to have received preferential treatment to get into the Air National Guard and avoid the draft after he graduated from Yale University in 1968. He was initially regarded as a good pilot, but his performance faded over his final two years in the Guard and he was suspended from flight status. He did not fly for the remaining 18 months he served in the Guard, though he was obligated to do so.

And for significant chunks of time, Bush did not report for duty at all. His superiors took no action, and he was honorably discharged in 1973, six months before he should have been.

from the Left Wing Commie Osama-Luvin' Air Force Times:
http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-AIRPAPER-357916.php

by redjade Wed Sep 22, 2004 16:25

Where's Osama??....

(Posted November 10, 2001 on usinfo.state.gov)

by redjade Sat Sep 25, 2004 16:30

Sue Niederer, whose son, Lt. Seth Dvorin, was killed in Iraq, during an appearance by Secretary of State Colin Powell in Princeton on Feb. 20.

Federal officials said they are examining comments made in online postings of interviews with Sue Niederer, who was arrested last week during a Republican campaign rally in Mercer County when she interrupted a speech by first lady Laura Bush.

In portions of an interview posted online in May on the Web site Counterpunch.org, Niederer said she wanted to "rip the president's head off" and "shoot him in the groined area."

The comments caught the attention of a Secret Service analyst and are under review, Special Agent Tony Colgary told The Times of Trenton for yesterday's editions. It is a federal crime to threaten to kill the president.

from:
http://www.app.com/app/story/0,21625,1059223,00.html

The Interview:
http://www.counterpunch.org/weill05222004.html

by head area Sun Sep 26, 2004 01:51

how could they prosecute so many people

by Bushistheman - none Sun Nov 21, 2004 09:53 joecartoon at aol dot com

WOW where do I start?
"Thanks Bush for killing our son we were lied to" First let me start by giving my condolinces to the parents and to His wif and children, I couldn't imagine how much grief you must be feeling. Now with that said I think that you people putting a sign in your yard that reads Bush Thanks for killing our son is assanine and totally disrespectful to your son and your country. You know when you son took the job as a service man he knew that there was a possibilty that he may be put in harms way and he accepted that. So if you don't like whats going on here get the hell out go to another country where you will feel more at home, you people don't know how good you have it here in the US of A. Try going to some third world country where you drink from the same water that you bathe and shit in hhhmmm sounds good doesn't it. And another thing to many of my fellow service man are joining the military for the collage and the other benifits thinking that they won't be chosen or it won't happen to me well this is the land of the free and it comes with a price tag and that price tag sometimes comes with the lose of our belovid service man. Freedom don't com FREE. Well I'm done speaking my mind and I hope that I haven't affended to many people and if I did then the hell with you. To my Brothers and fellow Marines Semper Fy Do Or Die Gung HO.