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category national | sci-tech | feature author Friday February 22, 2008 09:29author by James O'Brien - Worker Solidarity Report this post to the editors

An anarchist view

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An anarchist dismisses religious belief as a means of understanding the world that has been "superceded by science", sparking a lively debate. Is this argument simply showing disrespect to believers, talking down to the proles, or is it really the case that religion is "a dangerous drug" which means "handing over your brain to a priest, rabbi, or imam"? Read the arguments and make your own mind up.

Anarchism has traditionally been hostile to all religions because by their very nature they tend to be authoritarian. A supernatural creator who sets the rules is naturally considered to be the ultimate source of authority. And its authority means humanity’s obedience. If there is a god, it would, in the words of Bakunin, be necessary to abolish him. But a creator doesn’t exist, so we are left with the more mundane task of spreading the good news that values aren’t handed down from on high, but emerge from human society.

Socialists of all stripes are materialists. This doesn’t mean we’re greedy for money or crazy for the latest fashions. It just means that we think that the world started off quite simple, i.e. matter, and gradually evolved into more complex forms, such as animals. We see the world from the bottom up and try to understand the causes of events in natural terms, e.g. disease isn’t a form of possession by demons but often a virus or bacterial infection. Anti-social crimes aren’t simply committed by evil people; they’re partially the result of social pressures such poverty and lack of opportunities.

Religion looks at the world from the opposite point of view. Everything is top down. First you’ve got an unimaginably smart creator who was bored enough to make humans fairly clever and then down the long chain from animals to bacteria. The top-down view is especially illustrated in the religious view of the superiority of the immortal soul over the physical body.

When humanity was first coming up with answers to tricky questions like “why does it rain; what happens when we die? what causes events?”, they came up with quite a good answer. Since, in our everyday experience, minds are responsible for causing events and designing complex objects such as tools, a very great mind must be the ultimate cause of everything. This resort to an ultimate designer is especially attractive when trying to understand important parts of people’s lives, such as the weather, death etc. We still see the remnants of that today amongst people who turn to religion in order to cope with difficult circumstances.

Attributing all of creation to a super-mind was a good answer and a valuable one too. It got humanity on the scientific path of seeking proper causes for events. That the answer happened to be completely wrong doesn’t invalidate its historic importance.

Nowadays, religion has been superseded by science as a means of understanding the world. Science explains successfully what religion can’t. What science can’t explain, it is working on. Unfortunately, most, if not all, of the world’s religions have failed to keep up. They still keep to their doctrines of creation and resurrection, of prophecy and visions, of salvation and doom. There are naturalistic reasons for this too; the desire to maintain an institution’s power and the influence of inertia amongst others.

Worse, religion’s retreat in the face of science has left it holding not only absurd dogmas, but extolling the only means of believing in them: faith. This is simply belief without evidence and it’s a dangerous drug because in effect it means handing over your brain to a priest, rabbi, or imam. That is, handing it to somebody who advocates the greatest absurdities. This can only have negative consequences, especially when it comes to social life.

By contrast, anarchism is a vision of self-activity. Letting other people do your thinking for you will come home to roost in the end, hence the libertarian opposition to the concept of power being in the hands of specific political parties.

Trusting the bishops and the mullahs to weigh up matters on our behalf will soon result in edicts justifying exploitation and the necessity of a leadership. The Catholic Church just last December felt the need to yet again decry the socialist vision for a free and equal society. The faithful are supposed to line up against their own interests. Naturally, they will only do this if they concede the right of the church to do their thinking for them.

Happily, this is less and less the case in Ireland. About 15% of the population are non-religious and many of the nominal Christians pay heed to the apostles of Christ in name only. The litany of child abuse scandals, idiotic teachings on contraception, and blatantly sexist treatment of women has combined with a better educated people and more developed country to reduce their influence.

Just as science has replaced religious explanations, so too have ethical ideologies such as socialism replaced superstitious teachings as the cutting edge of social justice. After all, if something is the right thing to do, it remains the right thing to do, irrespective of what Jesus or Mohammad think. If by some tiny chance a creator does exist and has a direct line to the religious people in this world, our only problem would be how to get rid of it. As the cruel and bloody history of religion testifies, the gods are probably a lot less ethically inclined than the rest of us.

No, if we want a free and just society, there’s no point in putting your faith in superstition. That’s got to come from human endeavour, and depressing as the world may seem with daily stories about war in Iraq and hunger in Dafur, in many cases things have gotten better.
In Europe alone in the last two hundred years, we’ve seen massive changes in the winning of women’s and workers’ rights, and on the other side, the end of the divine right of a thieving aristocratic elite to rule. The rise in living standards is connected to the questioning by working people of the eternal religious platitudes. It is not simply a one-way process. Just as material conditions influence the degree of religious belief, so religious belief influences the kind of world we live in.

The best hope for the world is that ordinary working people, acting in solidarity, will progress towards a rational and libertarian socialist society. Along the way we have to throw off the chains of superstition.

<small>Mohammad frequently consulted with angels</small>
Mohammad frequently consulted with angels

<small>Desmond Connell reckoned his guardian angel saved him from burglars</small>
Desmond Connell reckoned his guardian angel saved him from burglars

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Islamophobic Blasphemy     Ahmed    Wed Feb 20, 2008 19:22 
   peace be upon us all!     leo bloomers    Wed Feb 20, 2008 19:36 
   did I miss something?     er    Wed Feb 20, 2008 19:44 
   Ah, what great responses     Chekov    Wed Feb 20, 2008 21:11 
   PBUH     Colm    Wed Feb 20, 2008 21:25 
   Great article. thank you.     ribbid    Wed Feb 20, 2008 22:45 
   "How Come I'm the Only Real Anarchist Here?"     Ciaron    Thu Feb 21, 2008 04:57 
   Unanswered questions?     Epicurus    Thu Feb 21, 2008 09:17 
   Religion is still important but must not be above Universal Human Rights     Nora    Thu Feb 21, 2008 09:20 
 10   Response to Epicurus     Ciaron    Thu Feb 21, 2008 09:26 
 11   Florida State votes to specify Evolution in High School sylabus as "theory" only.     noodley appendage    Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:08 
 12   The perpetuated Lie     macon    Thu Feb 21, 2008 13:39 
 13   environmentalism is not a cult     horseshite!    Thu Feb 21, 2008 13:56 
 14   Ciaron argues his point     Inactivist    Thu Feb 21, 2008 15:08 
 15   po-faced about mockery     James    Thu Feb 21, 2008 15:45 
 16   James O'Brien - Worker Solidarity     Joe    Thu Feb 21, 2008 15:54 
 17   Re: Iran     James    Thu Feb 21, 2008 16:06 
 18   about absurdities...     Inactivist    Thu Feb 21, 2008 16:07 
 19   Ciaron     James    Thu Feb 21, 2008 16:10 
 20   religion     con carroll    Thu Feb 21, 2008 17:05 
 21   The special place of religion     Anarcho-atheist    Thu Feb 21, 2008 18:15 
 22   Dissapointing Article     darren    Thu Feb 21, 2008 23:55 
 23   give us a break     libertarian    Fri Feb 22, 2008 09:25 
 24   actually     libertarian    Fri Feb 22, 2008 09:50 
 25   Acknowledge the suffering as the price.     inmendum    Fri Feb 22, 2008 09:50 
 26   excerpt..     Al Neffari    Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:10 
 27   Spirituality is part of culture     Nora    Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:20 
 28   as I said     libertarian    Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:01 
 29   cold and rational barbarism     Inactivist    Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:38 
 30   straw men     libertarian    Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:02 
 31   reason alone will get you nowhere     anarchagirl    Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:05 
 32   uh huh     libertarian    Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:18 
 33   Spiritual bliss     Nora    Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:23 
 34   Statistics     god    Fri Feb 22, 2008 13:25 
 35   Faith in science is baffling     Rational Ecologist    Fri Feb 22, 2008 13:26 
 36   sacred????????/     god    Fri Feb 22, 2008 13:32 
 37   um, answer?     anarchagirl    Fri Feb 22, 2008 13:36 
 38   To Rational Ecologist     Chekov    Fri Feb 22, 2008 14:02 
 39   anarchogirl     libertarian    Fri Feb 22, 2008 14:16 
 40   Are god's commandments negotiable?     sidewinder    Fri Feb 22, 2008 16:11 
 41   Why not     Gods2Men    Fri Feb 22, 2008 16:20 
 42   They Are All Nasty     PedoProphetWatch    Fri Feb 22, 2008 16:41 
 43   militant atheism     Nil    Fri Feb 22, 2008 16:45 
 44   Sheesh     Chekov    Fri Feb 22, 2008 17:08 
 45   anarcho theists     ronan    Fri Feb 22, 2008 17:56 
 46   Positive development     Deirdre Clancy    Fri Feb 22, 2008 18:22 
 47   chekov...     Nil    Fri Feb 22, 2008 18:28 
 48   Response     Chekov    Fri Feb 22, 2008 18:46 
 49   The transcendental experience of the spiritual world     Nora    Fri Feb 22, 2008 19:00 
 50   the difference between religion and spirituality     phats    Fri Feb 22, 2008 19:13 
 51   final comment     Nil    Fri Feb 22, 2008 19:24 
 52   some thoughts vaguely related to this topic     NoodlyAppendage    Fri Feb 22, 2008 19:34 
 53   the term 'spirituality'     phats    Fri Feb 22, 2008 19:40 
 54   err spirituality?     ronan    Fri Feb 22, 2008 20:12 
 55   gene ferries     phats    Fri Feb 22, 2008 20:16 
 56   the term 'spirituality'     phats    Fri Feb 22, 2008 20:21 
 57   Pure egotism     Angel    Fri Feb 22, 2008 20:26 
 58   to address your question phats....     NoodlyAppendage    Fri Feb 22, 2008 21:25 
 59   the source     phats    Fri Feb 22, 2008 21:53 
 60   phats....     NoodleyAppendage    Fri Feb 22, 2008 22:31 
 61   my mistake     phats    Fri Feb 22, 2008 23:12 
 62   religion     jp100    Fri Feb 22, 2008 23:58 
 63   Vintage Indymedia     Sean    Sat Feb 23, 2008 00:16 
 64   phats...Sean...     NoodleyAppendage    Sat Feb 23, 2008 01:06 
 65   enlightened times?     epicurus    Sat Feb 23, 2008 01:13 
 66   Huh?     Deirdre Clancy    Sat Feb 23, 2008 01:19 
 67   hear hear     leo bloomers    Sat Feb 23, 2008 13:12 
 68   discussion of ideas should be possible between comrades     NoodleyAppendage    Sat Feb 23, 2008 16:28 
 69   What people of faith and none need to realise     Lost    Sat Feb 23, 2008 17:26 
 70   bleak but truthful lost..     NoodleyAppendage    Sat Feb 23, 2008 19:48 
 71   Wow.....     Ciaron    Sat Feb 23, 2008 20:12 
 72   the problem with anarchism     bart    Sat Feb 23, 2008 20:31 
 73   socialism and socialism     Ciaron    Sat Feb 23, 2008 20:43 
 74   Reply to Deirdre     James    Sat Feb 23, 2008 23:08 
 75   If we want grow ,first of all we've got to grow up     moderate    Sun Feb 24, 2008 17:12 
 76   on growing up and other stories     libertarian    Mon Feb 25, 2008 09:52 
 77   Good and Bad and Freedom     Independent    Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:37 
 78   more straw men     libertarian    Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:53 
 79   negative criticism     moderate    Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:59 
 80   the foundation of religion is imperialist state power & little voices.     ribbid    Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:06 
 81   And?     libertarian    Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:14 
 82   apologies libertarian but.............     moderate    Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:58 
 83   Belief? The Truth? Does it matter.....     Cian    Mon Feb 25, 2008 13:02 
 84   To Chekov     Rational Ecologist    Mon Feb 25, 2008 13:20 
 85   Is this thread about god or anarchy or both?     Ciaron    Mon Feb 25, 2008 13:41 
 86   Cian     moderate    Mon Feb 25, 2008 13:41 
 87   sweeping dismissal     Independent    Mon Feb 25, 2008 14:38 
 88   Responses     Chekov    Mon Feb 25, 2008 16:03 
 89   Scientistic not Scientific     Leon    Mon Feb 25, 2008 16:28 
 90   reflections     moderate    Mon Feb 25, 2008 16:28 
 91   how does the scientific approach differ from the religious?     NoodleyAppendage    Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:53 
 92   Noodly wrote     moderate    Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:54 
 93   moderate     anon    Mon Feb 25, 2008 19:03 
 94   anon     moderate    Mon Feb 25, 2008 19:47 
 95   A reformist anarchism?     anon again    Mon Feb 25, 2008 19:54 
 96   be the hokey     anon yet again    Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:05 
 97   anon     moderate    Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:33 
 98   a circular discussion     anon    Mon Feb 25, 2008 21:03 
 99   a few wary comments     Laurence Cox    Mon Feb 25, 2008 21:54 
 100   .... It is older than God.     dunk    Tue Feb 26, 2008 01:51 
 101   Response to James     Deirdre Clancy    Tue Feb 26, 2008 06:20 
 102   "always look on the bright side of life"     ribbid    Tue Feb 26, 2008 09:06 
 103   re: authenticity of "the Beatitudes" & factuality of the "Sermon on the Mount" Dead sea Scroll 4q     ribbid    Tue Feb 26, 2008 09:28 
 104   To Chekov 2     Rational Ecologist    Tue Feb 26, 2008 09:28 
 105   Deirdre     reader    Tue Feb 26, 2008 09:29 
 106   anon read the last thing I wrote     moderate    Tue Feb 26, 2008 09:50 
 107   Who are you trying to persuade?     Pepe    Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:32 
 108   Response to Deirdre     Chekov    Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:39 
 109   censorships/deletions/courses etcetera of the biblical variety     comment    Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:44 
 110   Good points     reader    Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:56 
 111   Postscript     reader    Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:58 
 112   Responses on the definition of the anarchist tradition     Ciaron    Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:02 
 113   postreligion vacuum     Inactivist    Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:08 
 114   sensible approach     Pepe    Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:10 
 115   Buddhism     phats    Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:18 
 116   Logic and reader     Deirdre Clancy    Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:56 
 117   scope for a better debate?     Laurence Cox    Tue Feb 26, 2008 13:34 
 118   Face to face     John Baker    Tue Feb 26, 2008 20:49 
 119   Interesting article     Libertarian    Tue Feb 26, 2008 21:15 
 120   most interesting     Independent    Tue Feb 26, 2008 23:26 
 121   Proving the non-existence of God     reader    Wed Feb 27, 2008 14:22 
 122   Pepe     James    Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:35 
 123   Laurence     James    Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:53 
 124   Religion is no longer useful to the State     Gods2Men    Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:17 
 125   pure materialism     phats    Wed Feb 27, 2008 19:43 
 126   Steiner schools     Independent    Wed Feb 27, 2008 23:29 
 127   A personally responsible atheist, I think?     paul o toole    Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:22 
 128   Zeitgeist the movie     Zeitgeist    Thu Feb 28, 2008 13:45 
 129   Grassroots Gathering discussion     Laurence Cox    Thu Feb 28, 2008 20:28 
 130   James     Laurence Cox    Thu Feb 28, 2008 22:08 
 131   What is religion?     James    Fri Feb 29, 2008 00:10 
 132   Phats     James    Fri Feb 29, 2008 00:51 
 133   James     Laurence Cox    Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:47 
 134   addendum     Laurence    Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:44 
 135   To Laurence     Chekov    Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:47 
 136   Chekov     Laurence    Fri Feb 29, 2008 13:14 
 137   Laurence     James    Fri Feb 29, 2008 14:08 
 138   Laurence     Chekov    Fri Feb 29, 2008 14:37 
 139   My two cents! (an agnostic point of view)     Fergal Scully    Fri Feb 29, 2008 17:52 
 140   A question of belief.....     Cian    Sat Mar 01, 2008 03:10 
 141   social cement & soul belief     Independent    Sat Mar 01, 2008 07:04 
 142   LINK-From Sat March 1st. The Times On Line-"Following Jesus in love and anarchy"     Times    Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:59 
 143   From a spiritual scientist     phats    Sat Mar 01, 2008 14:05 
 144   Talk about an eternity, this debate could go on forever......     %    Sat Mar 01, 2008 16:36 
 145   personal religion is one thing but what happens when zealots have power??     Earthling    Sun Mar 02, 2008 20:56 
 146   much of the basis of christianity is not as solid as people think     N.A.    Sun Mar 02, 2008 22:01 
 147   good article on this subject     Fergal    Thu Mar 20, 2008 14:58 
 148   John Gray on Religion in Times today     Libertarian    Thu Mar 20, 2008 16:01 
 149   Golly gosh     Chekov    Thu Mar 20, 2008 16:26 
 150   straw men abound in this discussion     Atheist    Fri Mar 21, 2008 13:53 
 151   John Gray on Religion in Times today (Part Two)     Libertarian    Fri Mar 21, 2008 19:23 
 152   Rational gibberish?     Seán Ryan    Fri Mar 21, 2008 20:19 
 153   He's just selling his book     NoodleyAppendage    Fri Mar 21, 2008 23:35 
 154   Leninism ?     Laplandian    Thu Oct 21, 2010 03:20 
 155   religion is just nonsense. we should stop pandering to this nonsense. we're adults!     V for vendetta    Thu Oct 21, 2010 20:49 
 156   A plague on all yer gods' houses     A T ist    Thu Oct 21, 2010 23:52 
 157   Religion vs. mysticism - read Gustav Landauer     Laplandian    Mon Oct 25, 2010 21:59 
 158   One More Point     Laplandian    Tue Oct 26, 2010 00:46 
 159   credo     opus diablos    Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:40 
 160   ....religion is bullshit.     We the People    Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:58 
 161   Laplander...     V for vendetta    Tue Oct 26, 2010 14:04 
 162   Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds     Laplandian    Tue Oct 26, 2010 17:51 
 163   aw go on...watch it     V for vendetta    Tue Oct 26, 2010 19:40 
 164   watched it     Laplandian    Wed Oct 27, 2010 04:16 
 165   Laplandier...     V for vendetta    Wed Oct 27, 2010 17:02 
 166   opposition     Matt    Fri Mar 01, 2013 06:22 
 167   irony!     V    Fri Mar 01, 2013 19:38 


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