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Thursday June 12, 2008 00:24 by liz c - caeuc-personal capacity
on the streets of dublin in Dublin city centre particularly in the last few days. people aren't just saying they're voting No they're vehemently No and they're saying we could win this ...A lot of people have stopped by the CAEUC stall at the GPO to chat and debate, farmers, fishermen, taxi drivers, disgruntled fiannna failers etc. etc. really varied. it's amazing to hear people talking about politics like this, not just the treaty but the EU and where it's going. it feels like people are really getting into this. a lot of people from other EU countries have said win it for us cos we didn't get to vote.there has also been a lot of press from other EU countries suddenly taking an interest because it's too close to call .there has been very little yes activity & no concept from their leafleters of what the treaty is about. it'll be close but either way all this interest is a really good sign. this is touching a nerve and it's completely crossing party lines. it's great to see a bit of democracy getting messy and boundaryless as it should be. |
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11Just saying. Don't rely on there being "enough" people on the no side, make sure you vote.
I disagree with the call for renegotiation. If the No side wins in today's referendum that should be the end of it. Don't leave the door open for them to have a Lisbon II like they had a Nice II a few years ago - remember Lisbon I is already EU Constitution II. The people's decision must be respected.
It's not over until it's over. Between now and 10PM every vote counts. If you are driving down to the polling station knock on your neighbour's doors and ask them if they want a lift- you'll be being kind to the environment as well as bringing a few No voters with you (more than likely).
Even if they don't want a lift, it's no harm to remind people that the referendum is on. Remember only Irish citizens can vote.
It seems to be that Ireland is the only real democratic country in the whole of the EU. Over here in the Netherlands we are a dictature since they silenced us after we said NO!
As a member of the (I dont personally engage in....)Labour party I call on the citizens of Ireland to pass this Treaty.
We, as the proletarian, sit on front of computers all day and live in large houses. Together (with eh....Fine Gael) we can pass this treaty and earn a few extra Euros for those in charge.
The Cause Of Capital Is The Cause Of Ireland!
ex-Pioneer and I were just now watching EchoTV, a Hungarian cable news channel, and we saw her speaking out against the Lisbon Treaty wearing an orange shirt in (maybe) front of the GPO in Dublin!
It was a welcome surprise :-)
The current Hungarian government - run by the very unpopular 'Socialists' and Liberals - united with the Centre-Right party Fidesz to be the first country in the EU to vote almost unanimously for the Lisbon Treaty. And, with less than an hour of debate!
Many here wish that the political elite of Hungary were not so cravenly pro-EU and look to the Irish to put the brakes on the EU constitution. Treaties are not allowed to be decided by referendum here - so says the Hungarian constitution.
So, from the eastern frontier of EULand:
Democracy... use it or lose it! & just say no! (say no, because you can)
just back from voting Yes, primarily for a more democratic Europe and a stronger voice in foreign policy to counter that of the USA..
Talked to a number of 'no' leaning voters on the way, that still didnt understand the the treaty and therefore believed that voting no was the safe option, but they couldnt be arsed to vote.
Seriously, signing up to a federal, corporatist europe is not an easily reversible kind of decision.
And if you don't know, there's a good reason: the treaty is a model of unclarity, as anyone who has tried to read it can confirm. Much better to "return to sender" and have them put out a legible, clear document, even if you think a european superstate is a good idea. Just like it's a bad idea to sign a contract you haven't read and don't understand, voting for this treaty while unaware of its true content is... not smart.
Hello everybody,
I'm sorry if I wrote bad, but I want to thank all the Irish people who have voted NO to Lisbonne Treat !
Here, Nicolas Sarkozy an his government have decided to not care about the choice of the french people an it's very anti-democratic
We have relyied on you and now we are proud of you !
Thank you from millions of french citizens !!!
A french citizen
Mr. Donal Healy, a spokesman for the Cork Business Association, is quoted in today's Irish Examiner as demanding the full rigours of the law be applied for those who don't take their Lisbon treaty posters down on time. A Citizen responds.
Dear Mr. Healy,
I refer to the item "Business leaders call for Lisbon posters to be removed" in this morning's Irish Examiner, which quotes you as spokesman for the Cork Business Association.
Firstly I think you would acknowledge that by far the greatest number of posters erected in Cork city and environs during the recent Lisbon Treaty campaign would be from groups and individuals associated with big business, both directly and indirectly. One of the largest postering campaigns was that carried out by IBEC, while the group Libertas is very much associated with big business through people like Mr. Ulick McEvaddy and Mr Declan Ganley. Then of course no other parties are as much associated with business as Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.
I am deeply touched that you have called for the removal of posters and cable-ties from "public property", especially given the pro-privatisation bias of your organisation, which seeks to have public property appropriated by big business.
Finally, have you nothing better to do?
A. Citizen
PS - can you talk to your Cork Business Association members about their litter, used chip cartons, unsightly advertising hoardings, temporary wooden walkways, unwanted fliers and other such detritus?
So it's okay if non big-business leave their posters up, is it?
Remove these posters now. It's a disgrace that many organisations have just left them up - mainly on the NO camp I might add.
I'd agree to apply the full rigours of the law to have them removed and offenders fined.